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but (IMO) the Palestinians will never get their state until it is basically given to them by the Israelis. The Palestinians (and Arabs) will never militarily defeat Israel (and her #1 backer).
The ironic thing is that hundreds of years ago when battles were huge street fights involving no major technology beyond the spear & bow/arrow the Palestinians would have driven the Israelis into the sea.
Not now though, Israel's military is just too strong.
In another thread a few days ago I wished the Palestininas were more nuanced about their resistance. They can only obtain their state once Jewish & American public opinion agrees that they deserve one. Even though they have ample reasons to shoot rockets willynilly into Israel. From a strategic & public realations standpoint the rocket shooting only helps their ememies paint them as barbarians.