So what's your point, besides sour grapes?

Besides, on complex matters, I defer to the advice offered by one Kurt Vonnegut:

"Any scientist who can't explain what he's working

on to a twelve year old is a charlatan."

Well, as a Socialist Atheist I am damn fucking concerned! But maybe because I live in the epicenter of Christian Right fundyism and see and hear how many of them echo the words of a minister that Joe Conason cited in his (1992) PLAYBOY article, 'With God as My Co-pilot' - demanding concentration camps and gas chambers for "atheists, abortionists, pornographers, and homosexuals".

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I didn't see the Playboy article, but I have to laugh every time I see the phrase, "With God as my co-pilot."

What a supremely arrogant thing to say!

I drove past a liberal Christian church once, and the sign outside (you know the kind- with the little moveable letters) said,

"If you think God is your co-pilot, you are sitting in the WRONG SEAT!"

Lipstick Traces, the magisterial history of twentieth century aesthetic thought, has already questioned the question. And the answer is unpleasantly apt. What do we know except insecurity? What do we recognize except fear? Fuck that. Vote Obama.

If McCain is elected it will be montorous because of his VP. Palin is a very dangerous person who represents the incompetent idealogical driven subset of that has kidnapped the GOP. The represent the darker and divisive side of politics.

lol PUMAs still exist. We know none of you were ever Democrats.

Conservatives just love commentary like this. With language like "monstrous" and declarations that McCain would "wreck" the country, or even "erase" it, Marcus gives the Right just what it loves: wild-eyed distractions from the important--and serious--business of choosing leaders. C'mon, Marcus, grow up and get helpful.

What about a white American who moved here last week, but grew up in Denmark? Is that part of the oath of naturalization now? "I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; and, if white, I accept and undertake to endure the burden of white guilt which Greil Marcus has placed upon me." Is that about right?

aeschylus wrote: "Get over yourself. Seriously. We live in a country where you can't even place the Ten Commandments in a courthouse, and you're worried about theocracy? And McCain/Palin would be monstrous how? "

Well, as a Socialist Atheist I am damn fucking concerned! But maybe because I live in the epicenter of Christian Right fundyism and see and hear how many of them echo the words of a minister that Joe Conason cited in his (1992) PLAYBOY article, 'With God as My Co-pilot' - demanding concentration camps and gas chambers for "atheists, abortionists, pornographers, and homosexuals".

Think it can't happen, think again! It can if Mc-Same -Pain-in-the ass get in and stack the Supreme court with rabid zealots, assuming the dems act like sheepdogs and do nothing to stop it.

But even if that extreme doesn't unfold, you will still see:

i) Abortion likely rendered almost impossible to obtain in three years as state by state enacts laws against it, and only one SC ruling is needed to validate it

ii) federal agencies abroad co-opt birth control and refuse any aids, assistance in nations which don't kowtow to demands to reject all abortions

iii) The monstrous imposed spy state expands further along with the Imperial presidency of McCain to rope in millions more innocents (using the wiretap laws) for "anti-American activities"

Apart from that the other major fear I have, merely from communicating with those in my own family who have bought the kool aid, is an all-out civil war between secular and religious (mainly fundie) forces.

If you lived where I did and heard even one hundredth the belligerent talk (not to mention letters to the editor) you'd not be so cavalier in dismissing the threat.

Monstrosity occurs in degrees and increments. Even with Hitler's emergence of Chancellor in Germany ca. 1932 it was not until some nine years later the first concentration camps equipped with gas chambers were installed.

Open your eyes, and if you are really an atheist, then try to see the threat as opposed to minimizing it.

Well, that's one way of looking at it, if your level of comprehension is 'limited'. I find he speaks of complex things in a way that might sound complex on the surface, but are pretty simplistic overall. There's no 'deep water' here. The rhetorical flourishes are designed to draw the listener into assigning for themselves, whatever substance he or she desires to these speeches. Hence the use of the words "hope" and "change". Vague, ill-defined words that can mean many different things to people depending upon their overall view of life. I guess to some folks, 'Green Eggs and Ham" can sound like 'War and Peace'.

How many polls and percentage points to you need to convince you that American's are more evolved than you give us credit for? Just because there is a fringe element in the McCain camp that are dyed-in-the-wool racist, doesn't mean that the rest of us share those views. I'm not waiting til the results are in to celebrate the fact that liberals are taking back the country. The evidence is overwhelming that we are going to, and I'm reveling in it right now. Can't wait, tho, for it to be official, so I won't have to read chicken little's like Marcus obsess about what a bunch of closet racists we all are.

Like the elections in 2000 and 2004, I will stand hopeful in a long time waiting to vote. Encouraged by the turnout only to learn as evening approaches that hope for the best our country can be is lost.

I pray for our country if this is so this time. This country cannot tolerate another 4 or more years of this party's leadership - or lack thereof!!

is a little arrogant on your part. Obama will be taken down by pumas who use to support the Dem. Party, hear us roar!~