Since, in spite of a "healthy burst of paranoia," he didn't knuckle under.

And, DOJ backed off, like on the hard drive issue.

". . . you can bet that his idea of "change" means more and not less national security programs (some friendly and some not-so-friendly to the Left).

"-- rtf100 Tuesday, July 8, 2008 10:55 PM"

Except for your anal-impaction problem, you might actually get it, thus cease putting your corrupt political party before the good of this country (I won't say "our," because that would include you, who abandoned this country the moment you decided your corrupt America-hating political party is more important than this country).

1. The Constitution is the document which defines the structure of, and on which stands, our gov't.

2. Our gov't is "A system of laws, and not of men." -- John Adams. That is, it is a system of laws, not of brain-dead political jabberwackies gibberishing about "Left" and "Right".

That is: law and politics are not the same thing -- even though the Constitution and rule of law are arrogantly and contemptuously made political football by idjits such as yourself.

That is: Constitution and law, not being politics, are not either "Left" or "Right". Except to the small minority of intellectually-dishonest America-hating pro-treason Bushit criminal enterprise dead-enders -- such as yourself.

Fischy said this earlier:

In order to freeze the assets there had to be a court order. The DOJ/FBI walked into the bank with some form of written order. That order had to be issued by a court of some kind. A bank officer won't freeze an account without some form of court order otherwise the bank is violating federal banking/privacy regulations.

Do you suppose Fischy also believes:

In order to wiretap the phone calls there had to be a court order. The DOJ/FBI walked into the telecom with some form of written order. That order had to be issued by a court of some kind. A telecom officer won't tap a phone without some form of court order otherwise the telecom is violating federal communication/privacy regulations.

I guess Fischy doesn't read the news about "federal communication/privacy regulations" known as FISA, or believes that federal laws must be obeyed by banks but not by telecoms.

Do I understand what the author is writing here?:

"The memory board was weaker than the hard drive and cracked in several places. Then she held the memory board in her hands and tried bending it, but Miguel stopped her, warning that he'd seen someone get cut badly doing that"

Is he saying that the "technician" from the DOJ actually took the motherboard and/or RAM out of the computer and destroyed that as well? The only portion of a computer that retains data after the power switch has been turned off is the hard drive. Destroying any other part of the computer is simply ignorant vandalism.

How ridiculous.

Ah, who cares? This judge was probably a Clinton appointee. AND he's from California. All you wanna know, Roy Gene.

Any--I repeat--ANY surveillance, whether it be wiretapping, inspecting mail, or going though the garbage and inspecting the discarded dirty underwear of suspected terrorists, is fine by me

all of the above is fine with me, too- as long as the law enforcement authorities perform the necessary preliminary act of getting a warrant.

That's what determines the difference between " tap suspected terrorists" and "tap first, put together a case later."

What can the American people do to protect their freedom in this instance? Or, is it so far gone, that we shouldn't even try for fear of being targeted?

"President George W. Bush speaks about the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act at the White House on Oct. 10, 2007.

Why is anyone still listening to Bush. Hasn't almost eight years of lies taught you anything?

Five months to go. The time cannot pass quickly enough. Bush makes Nixon look like a choir boy.

Bottom line, you're willing to destroy the village (i.e. the US system of government) in order to save it.

Frankly, sir/madam, YOU'RE the one who's un-American, and a coward.

For years now I've wondered what motivates "Americans" who oppose any and every effort to keep America safe from more terrorist attacks.

I know the standard defense: "We're not opposed to keeping America safe! We're opposed to the subversion of our right to privacy! We're opposed to government undermining our First Amendment rights to free expression!" Yada, yada,yada.

If anyone reding this believes I'm questioning the patriotism and "American-ness" of Mr. Eisenberg and his fellow travellers then that's very perceptive since I am, notwithstanding Senator Obama's recent ploy to undercut the patriotism issue.

I would remind Eisenberg et al. that dead people have no rights and that the United States is at war! Any--I repeat--ANY surveillance, whether it be wiretapping, inspecting mail, or going though the garbage and inspecting the discarded dirty underwear of suspected terrorists, is fine by me if, ultimately, it prevents even one more attack on our soil.

I wonder what Eisenberg and his cohorts are afraid of and what they're hiding. And please don't blather about Ben Franklin who wrote, “They who would give up an essential liberty deserve

neither liberty or security.” He also wrote, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we will hang separately.” And, Ben didn't live in a time when a city could be obliterated in seconds.

Is that all alarmist?

I hope so! Someone should wake Eisenberg and his ilk.

Lets play the whole record. "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."

Benjamin Franklin

How much to take me over to Freedom Avenue? If you know where that is...

Kufir is a hoot ain't he? Where would Buhs and America be without people like him?

What the government did in this case is absolutely jaw-dropping. Combine that with the assault on the Constitution that Congress did today and the failure of the media to accurately report either causes me to no longer recognize my country.

You are absolutely right.

“He who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserves neither.”

Ben Franklin