Letters to the Editor
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lottery question....
Where in the world in Joan the Moan?
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RBrudzynski
How about Supreme Court Justice and $$$$.
Her conduct has been atrocious throughout the campaign. No one needs to make a deal with her. They want Obama to pay her campaign debts. This is a family that made $109 mill in a few years and they want Obama to pay her campaign debts. Give me a break. As for the Supreme Court, what experience does she have but be a corporate lawyer and sit on the board of WalMart. Her "experience" has been vastly exxagerated just like her foreign policy.
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08YesWeCan
"I say if Iran screws with us enough, then they deserve what they get."
Here, Hillary, like Bush, is avoiding the fact that Iran has offered to negotiate and that several countries have volunteered to mediate the situation.
Similarly, Saddam offered to surrender before the conquest of Iraq, but that was ignored, evidently by Hillary as well as Bush.
Clearly, Hillary and Bush both want war and have deliberately avoided any approach that would be less destructive, and further avoided the fact that the outcome would still be overwhelmingly in favor of US interests. The evidence suggests both operate as shills of the MIC and AIPAC and for their own aggrandizement. No other conclusion seems reasonable.
Therefore, Hillary is no more deserving of my support on this than is Bush. And that's just one issue. There are dozens more.
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Hilary's credentials....
The credentials she has that speaks the most is her striving for a position on the board of Walmart and her refusal to entertain taxes against hedge fund operators and her cowtowing to the the credit card companies....
The problem is that Hilary was an opportunist, which is ok, but contrasts starkly with the decisions that Obama made....that is indesputable.
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walter_map
"I say if Iran screws with us enough, then they deserve what they get."
I did not make the above statement. But I agree with everything you say about negotiating. Hillary is just another Bush.
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pretty words
It sounds like Conley is saying that Hillary has a right to keep lending her campaign money in bad faith, knowing she won't win the nomination, and knowing she should be able to shake down the Obama camp to pay it off.
I don't know if the election laws say she has a legal right to make deliberate, bad-faith loans to her campaign with the intention of coercing Obama into paying her off-- maybe they do.
But either way, that's exactly what it looks like, even if Conley avoids using the word blackmail.
Maybe Obama should actually call her out publicly on this, and ask her what she wants to accomplish by staying in the race, and if she means to write off the money she's loaning to her campaign.
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Clinton Supporters Like to Debate
Perhaps many of the Clinton supporters would rather debate the issues, affirm that their candidate is still in the race and still has a lot to offer the Democratic Party rather than dealing with the condescension and disrespect that is being offered by many of the Obama supporters.
One would think that Clinton and her supporters were the enemy and not of the same party. I realize that many have bought into the Republican Noise Machine and feel that Hillary is truly the anti-Christ and her supporters are succubi that have to be destroyed with stakes through their hearts to make them be gone forever.
Sorry, the fact remains we are still here, we are not going away, and after reading many of these posts, I am certainly glad not to personally know many of you. I am willing to wager that many of you are secretly happy that Hillary isn't stepping down, because you would not know where to direct all your anger if she and her supporters weren't around. I don't think any of you will be this angry with McCain. Also, I don't think many of you would have the guts to act and say what you post here to another person's face. If you do, then you need to seek some serious therapy.
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08YesWeCan
I did not make the above statement.
Hillary did. You were just quoting her to make a point about her wayward policies.
But I agree with everything you say about negotiating. Hillary is just another Bush.
I've suspected Hillary of being a closet neocon for some time now, or at least 'triangulating' towards neoconservativism for AIPACs support.
That may not be meaningful if we get $8 gas by the end of the summer, as some economists suspect may happen. Economic issues are starting to get ugly and no bottom to them is yet in sight, despite the fact that the wealthy have arranged to bail themselves out with money from their victims.
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@Tree Hugger
See my post one page back. I've posted many times today trying to get a Clinton supporter to explain exactly what her experience or qualifications are and to respond to the 3 most disturbing parts of her cv that I discussed in my post. So far there have been no takers. I'm starting to think that her supporters know that she has nothing to offer, but just can't come to publicly admit it. It's starting to look to me like all those accusations that Obama is just an "empty suit" is really just projection on the part of Clinton fans. If you can make an argument why this is not the case I'd really be interested in hearing it.
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Tree Hugger
I don't think any of you will be this angry with McCain.
You're mistaken. Not to mention fatuous.
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One out of three ain't bad, I guess
Let Clinton write the health care plank of the party platform. No problem. Give her a prime-time speaking slot the night before Obama accepts the nomination, too - as long as she concedes to script approval like everyone else.
But the other two? No way in hell. For. Get. It.
The Clinton's are not Doug Wilder when it comes to their financial situation at the end of this race. Obama supporters are supposed to pay off the debt from their horribly managed campaign so Bill and Hillary don't have to tap into their nine-figure personal fortune? Kiss my ass.
They deserve to pick his VP? The Clinton's can tie Obama's hands? What - she'll go public and throw a fit if he says he wants to pick his own running mate? Exactly what leverage do you think Clinton really has in this matter?
The Kennedy/Johnson analogy is fatally flawed. Kennedy needed Johnson because of the south and because he had more juice in Congress than any modern politician could dream of. Clinton offers neither, or nothing else that I can think of either as a running mate or a gatekeeper. Obama should consult her as a courtesy, but the decision - and the campaign and the administration if he wins - is his alone.
Here's another story that is maybe a little more relevant. Almost 30 years ago there was a popular senator with a famous name who challenged an incumbent president all the way to a floor fight at the convention. The senator lost, and so did the president who came out of the convention seriously wounded.
Ted Kennedy's national political career came to a screeching halt on that day 28 years ago. His seat was his for as long as he wanted it, and he had one marquee committee. But he was dead for any positions in the leadership or real power in Washington.
Hillary Clinton has a choice to make. She can either do everything make sure a Democrat is elected president this November without conditions, or she can continue to try gaming the system for her personal benefit at the expense of the nominee and the party. If she chooses the latter she will be held responsible.