Letters to the Editor
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@ xufapemu
I go to a church that is about 90% black. They came to my house one saturday morning about 12 years ago and invited me and I've never left.
I am glad. My old church, a Unitarian-Universalist Church welcomed people of all races, although they just didn't get many Hispanics and few blacks (but there were few blacks in that city and UUs are not really Christian in any traditional sense).
Where I live now (a small town in Texas), there is a Baptist Church that no black person would want to visit. I has many white separatists. And one black church actually has the words African American in their name, so that is rather intimidating.
Like wise, I think you sell people short to say the reason church is segregated is because of racism. It's more cultural than anything, and I'd bet 99% of the white churches in America would be more than happy to have black members. Your view of America is depressing and not based in the reality of 2008.
Yes, I know it is also cultural. However, that doesn't actually change the reality of what ends up being a sort of voluntary segregation.
I'm an old guy and remember way back. The young people I talk to today (and by young I mean under 50) simply don't see race the same way folks did even 20 years ago.
Yes, that is mostly true.
I simply don't believe white Democrats voted against Obama because he's black. I think most of the base of the party, (except black Democrats) voted for Hillary out of loyalty.
Actually, I preferred Edwards as the truer progressive. I moved to Hillary after he left because of health care and experience. Obama might have also had more of a chance of getting my vote if so many of his supporters had not engaged in to much sexism towards Hillary. You really underestimate how much of an issue that this is with older Hillary supporters. I am also offended by Obama supporters who want to paint me as a racist for supporting Clinton. I don't see the Clintons a racist. I think it is a bogus charge. However, I think it is one that the Clintons are pretty angry about and I suspect it has a great deal to do with the hardening towards the other candidate on both sides.
Once black voters saw that Obama was viable, they voted out of pride, but not out of hate for Hillary.
So how do you explain all the hatred of Hillary at TPM, at Politico, and here?
Blacks voted for the same reason older women supported Hillary by overwhelming numbers. A sense that history could be made. People some times vote identity. But there's a big difference in voting FOR and identity (black for Obama, older women for Hillary) and making a broad speculation that whites will vote against Obama because he's black. There's simply no evidence that that is the case.
Well, in Texas, even many Democrats are racist. That's just the way it is. However, I do agree that most whites younger than 60 won't vote against Obama because he's black, yet a large number may vote against him on the patriot issue. Lots and lots of people still feel patriotic.
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AKA Smith
Well, in Texas, even many Democrats are racist. That's just the way it is. However, I do agree that most whites younger than 60 won't vote against Obama because he's black, yet a large number may vote against him on the patriot issue. Lots and lots of people still feel patriotic.
I read your archive. You reek racism. Imagine the pot calling the kettle black.
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@ 08YesWeCan
What a liar you are!
To understand that you are a liar, I invite everyone to click on my archive and start reading. When they are done -- sometime next Tuesday -- they can come back and tell me which of my many, many posts are racist.
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there's an interesting convo going on over at the "george wallace" article
which has elucidated the pointlessness of calling anybody racist. Actually, weeping for brunnhilde has been doing most of the elucidating; that guy is way too good for this forum.
Anyway, 08, I think you're wrong about Smith. She's not "a racist"; she's just oblivious to her own privilege, and does not view it as important. Obliviousness to one's privilege can be construed as racism, because it indicates that one is ignorant of one's own role within a racist system, but it's not the same as bigotry, which is what I think you're talking about.
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Moreover, 08YesWeCan, do you always go out of your way to make a fool of yourself in public forums?
Just how long did it take you to read my archive?
I don't usually say LOL, but LOL, LOL, LOL!
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Why thank you squalorholla,
for that rather half-hearted defense. To tell you the truth, I lived in poverty much of life. I was once homeless and once lived on $500 a month --yes in the 21st century, so I, like many people who have been truly poor have a bit of trouble feeling privileged.
Have you ever been homeless? If not, to what privilege do owe the fact that you haven't?
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@ AKA
Obama might have also had more of a chance of getting my vote if so many of his supporters had not engaged in to much sexism towards Hillary.
I am also offended by Obama supporters who want to paint me as a racist for supporting Clinton.
Sorry, I simply don't understand how any thoughtful person rejects a candidate based on the words of anonymous letter writers. I've been told by 20 year friends that I'm sexist for not voting for Hillary. Didn't phase me a bit, because I know I'm not sexist. And I'd still vote for Clinton were she the nominee.
I don't see the Clintons a racist. I think it is a bogus charge. However, I think it is one that the Clintons are pretty angry about and I suspect it has a great deal to do with the hardening towards the other candidate on both sides.
The Clintons aren't racist. The only evidence that people are voting because of race are blacks for Obama; and again that is more voting out of pride and FOR something than voting against Hillary because she is white. Hell, they voted for her husband and he's as white as they come.
If the Clintons WERE making an appeal to race, they did a piss poor job because it didn't work.
So how do you explain all the hatred of Hillary at TPM, at Politico, and here?
What the hell does that have to do with race? You think blacks hate Hillary because she is a woman and all the letter writers on these sites are black? And again, I'm not going to judge the candidate by some idiot with a keyboard and opinion has to say.
Well, in Texas, even many Democrats are racist.
And all over the country, some people are sexist and won't elect a woman. Yet even though there are racists and sexists in this country, the Democratic party STILL bravely put forward a platform condemning racism and sexism and passes laws to protect minorities and women. Should the party abandon these principles simply because there are racists and sexists in this country who will vote against us?