Letters to the Editor
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CeliaInSF
Still don't think she should pay another penny to that douche Penn.
As if he needs it. He's probably already paid his salary to himself five years out. He just neglected to tell anybody.
These campaigns are just so darn expensive. Where does the money go?
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walter_map
Still, we need to bring the Clintonites in, to get them behind the Democratic candidate
Make no mistake about the Clintonites on Salon. They are republican women who will never vote for a black man. Read their racist history on Salon. Democrats can never vote for McCain.
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walter
I was quoting Stentor's slur, and giving her one of her own to match. It was not in any way aimed at you. You've misread me sir. We're headed the same direction. I have been known to be a shithead, but this was not such an instance. thanks, jeff
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"Do NOT give her a veto over the VP nominee
That way she can tactfully say no to another woman making it onto the ticket to steal her spotlight. She could ensure that none of the potential 2012 candidates get positioned for a run in case Obama should fail in November."
AND THIS WOULD HELP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND/OR WOMEN IN POLITICS EXACTLY HOW???
No thanks, I'd rather he just did what he's started doing, namely ignoring her.
You do realize that Dan Conley was extrapolating based upon his experience in another political campaign entirely. Everything he said about what Hillary might want is speculation only. I have read elsewhere that it is common for an opponent who wants to come to an agreement to help with campaign debt.
Sure Obama can ignore Clinton. No problemo.
It's just that he could pay a big price for doing so. If Clinton signals to her supporters that he has been dismissive, we can take our support elsewhere or just not vote for him. Even if she is not the nominee, I can write her in. If Obama doesn't need my support, I'm cool with it.
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Sexism
Is calling a guy a jerk as bad as calling a woman a bitch?
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My above nameless post is directed at episcomom.
Apologies for leaving off your name.
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@ okidokithen
Not in my opinion. Women can be jerks too.
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AKA Smith
Women can be jerks too.
And you are a racist jerk judging from your history on Salon.
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@waltermap
"Still, we need to bring the Clintonites in, to get them behind the Democratic candidate. We're also going to need them to help clean up the vast mess left by the Bushites
Good luck with that, walter. Afraid you'll need to clear the decks of the likes of 08yeswecan, jeffersonian, and untold others, before there will be the slightest, most remote hope of cajoling Clintonites into the fold.
This whole fuster cluck brings to mind nothing more than a blatantly abusive spouse adjuring the abused spouse, "But we have to stay together for the good of the children." Hah! Divorce is legal in all 50 states. And the children? There's always the option of therapy, however expensive and protracted.
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08YesWeCan
They are republican women who will never vote for a black man.
So we still don't seem to have a good handle on how actual liberal feminists feel about Obama. The comments from the supposed feminists here may not be any indication.
I mean to be sympathetic to the feminist cause of gender equality. Sexism is still pervasive. Racism is still with us also. American culture could stand to evolve some more and reduce the sexism and the racism.
You'd think these two oppressed groups would get together, show some solidarity, be progressive, make some progress. Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to have happened. Somebody should maybe put some thought into why that is.
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You hit the nail on the head, Smith
I won't be voting for McCain, but the level of overt sexism that some Obama supporters have directed at Clinton make it hard for many of us to contemplate voting for Obama. I don't blame any one for choosing not to do so.
I would never vote for a Republican.
But the onus is now on Obama to motivate people to go to the polls. So far I'm not convinced.
It's going to be interesting, though, listening to all the Obamabots sputter all summer long about how it will be "all our fault" if McCain wins in the fall.
Not so sure about that.
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jeffersonian
I was quoting Stentor's slur, and giving her one of her own to match. It was not in any way aimed at you.
Oh, ok.
Don't take me seriously. I don't. I tend to be pretty lazy about reading other people's posts, too.
Mostly I hang out here to annoy the right-wingers, but they don't seem to have shown up yet. I get bored when I don't have neocons to roast.
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evans evans
But the onus is now on Obama to motivate people to go to the polls. So far I'm not convinced.
I expect McCain to motivate a lot of people to vote for Obama, some of them out of sheer terror. So it might not be a problem.
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Despite what the chicken littles are saying here...
November might be a fight, but once the campaign starts in earnest, I don't see McCain laying a glove on Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HzXyXcDUn0
McCain is no saint. There are many, many skeletons in that closet. And after 8 years of Bush, what Americans want is a return to sanity.
That doesn't equal a vote for John McCain no matter how you slice it. The man is unbalanced to put it nicely.
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Motivations
I expect McCain to motivate a lot of people to vote for Obama, some of them out of sheer terror. So it might not be a problem.
Gee, it's amazing how nobody seems to be voting "for" anybody anymore - just "against" somebody else. Sad state of affairs if you ask me.
Neither one of them excites me much. But considering the current state of things in this country, I wouldn't wish the presidency on my worst enemy. McCain would be terrible, no doubt in my mind. But Obama is such a blank slate I can't even form an opinion about him. Nothing in his record demonstrates anywhere near the fundamental change he speaks of. He's acted pretty much like every other politician.
Sure he's got potential - but my momma wisely told me never to fall in love with someone's potential.