Letters to the Editor
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AKA, I quit.
Just got back from the gym and I see this goes on.
Clearly you don't know the difference between womanism and black feminism. You should go look them up.
Do you even know it was gay women and women of color from the second wave who felt marginalized within that movement that initiated the third? That it's about incorporating and building on the ideas of second wave feminism to make it more inclusive? It isn't as "either/or" as you put it, that second wave is more "right than wrong" and third wave more "wrong than right." Way to be divisive.
We will never agree (the whole zero-sum pie argument you present makes me realize this)--I want all people to enjoy the same rights and fight the power; you want white women like you to share power with white men.
More power to you. Knock yourself out.
It's apparent why you support Clinton and I support Obama.
Dinnertime.
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KateTex
I read your stuff today on Salon's other letters from you. Baby, you are one racist fiend. Yes We Can neutralize the vile influence of people like you in American politics.
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That's right KateTex
It's a bitter pill
Yes we can
And yes we will.
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Re:Republican Shill has become the new hit-n-run
Because if anyone ever had the temerity to say that to my face, they would be picking themselves up off the floor, bleeding, or both. You jackasses seem to think that if someone disagrees with you, that they are a fundamentally flawed human being, or stupid. I am neither, but you people are nuts. I know my history, probably a lot better than some of you. I don't like Obama, I want Hillary, you people are the ones who seem to have a problem with her politics, I don't. And if you don't like it, you can cram it. This is America, and I am entitled to my opinion, and my vote.
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Follow up...
Wow, it looks like the really warm fuzzy people have joined the party now...
Jeffersonian, I know that stat that AKA sighted sounds high, but it has actually been out there for some time, and as someone who has worked in women's clinics, and from experience with my friends, it's definitely in the ball park.
While I'll grant you that regret over a poor decision should not be mistaken for rape, I will tell you that the majority of rapes are not the "violent guy in the alley" type. While many men may think that nonconsensual sex with a guy you know, when there is no "violence" is not such a big thing, I have to gently point out your error. Being forced to have sex (and, with most men being larger and stronger than many women, this doesn't generally require a weapon or a even hard core smack-down) is a pretty soul-destroying experience for women. Being forced/coerced to have sex by someone you thought you could trust? Well, that'll pretty much shatter any faith you have in men right there.
As for telling you, most women don't spill that stuff to any but their closest female friends if anyone at all. The number's really not that unrealistic, when you consider how many women a single rapist could force to have sex in his lifetime, even if you kept him down to only a couple a year....
And Smith? I do love a good backhanded compliment, and I'd just like to clarify a few things.
1. I don't think Hillary should drop out. I never have. I have been so pumped about this primary! We've had this amazing stable of contenders and all the Republicans could trot out was,well, not all that much really. I do wish that Hillary would go back to where she was at around NH. The words she spoke about how important this election is where incredibly powerful, now she's pandering to voters with race bating and gas tax exemptions?
2. You see yourself putting feet in the fire and I see unnecessarily harsh, borderline rational arguments. You aren't clearing up anything for younger women, you're coming off as condescending and irrational. It's all about tone, and online formats are tone deaf. Sarcasm is lost, passion is lost.... it's an environment ripe with opportunity for miscommunication. Some people feed off of that, but more often than not, it makes us lose our own arguments. Asking if Celia would debate a the merits of a man's desire to rape vs. a woman's desire not to be raped? Obviously untenable and intended to anger. Of course she doesn't wish to, but by setting up a construct for debate that demands a particular argument, you lose the debate because you've shut down the conversation.
3. I don't expect anyone to jump on board in support of Barack. After all, the primary isn't over yet. I can only hope that you'll see the post on this site for what they are, the ravings of lunatics. I include myself in that. I mean, what sane person gets in arguments with people they will never meet in a format that doesn't really go anywhere? The truth is that there are jerks within all of the campaigns, but there are far more decent people. They just aren't posting here. I hope you'll give the general election the same sort of time you've given the primaries.
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FOXTROT
Another Hillary supporter is on FOX (Gerldine Farraro). It is amazing how the Hillary folks love FOX now. These people pillaged the Clintons and anyone who supported them but now these same racist,elitist and haters are Hillary's best friends. Incredible!!!!
It is amazing how the Hillary supporters say Barack is guilty by association but don't measure Hillary with the same stick. FOX,Rush,Rupert and Scaife are the promoters of hate,war,division and slander but Hillary has become the darling of the right wing haters. These people painted Kerry,Clevland and Gore as unpatriotic wimps. But Hillary and gang love now think that they are fair and balanced.
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@ jeffersonian, sexist ass:
I looked through your posts. You have called Hillary Clinton a bitch and a beaver and characterized arguments from women as fallopian. You clearly think you are clever distinguishing date rape from real rape as if date rape were not rape.
It is easy to put you on my ignore list.