Letters to the Editor
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@ KStone
Thanks for continuing to show us all what a classy broad you are!
And I am feeling better, thanks for asking. Actually, I've been feeling pretty damn good since Tuesday night, when my guy clinched the nomination.
I hope that our little back-and-forth is helping you manage your bitterness and frustration over your gal screwing up a sure thing and bankrupting herself in the process.
Take care!
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@Celia
As far as I can tell, everybody wants a resoultion of the mess in MI and FL- but neither Obama nor his supporters (I am one) have or tried to disenfranchise voters there.
Oh really? Obama has been arguing that he is somehow owed half the Florida delegates, which is utter nonsense.
My greater point is not about seating delegates - that is the least of the problem. The issue is the fall election - if voters in these two states feel marginalized by a process they had little control over, it's going to be that much harder to get them out in November. The Dems need one if not both states to win, and if the voters feel their delegates were ignored or unfairly apportioned, it'll be uphill all the way.
I'm kind of suprpised that people are pushing the MI results especially since 45% of people turned out to vote against Hillary with no one else on the ballot!
What arrogance - in other words, everyone who voted "uncommitted" in Michigan wasn't voting FOR Obama or Edwards, they were simply voting AGAINST Hillary. That will come as news to plenty of my friends there!
Of course, it's perfectly in tune with so many Obama supporters in these threads - ask why they're for Obama and the only answer you'll get is a tirade against Hillary.
Pathetic.
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To aka, again
OK. I jumped the gun and didn't finish reading your whole post. But reading the rest of it managed to offend me even more.
You said: Feminism is a progressive cause. Women all over the world die because of misogyny. Their freedoms are drastically curtailed. They lack control over their own bodies and their own income. Here, in America, women are raped -- at hate crime; battered -- a hate crime; and sexually assaulted as children -- a hate crime. When you are ready to acknowledge that the fight against misogyny is as much a progressive cause as the battle against racism, only then will you be truly feminists.
I have NEVER NEVER said that fighting misogyny is not as much of a progressive cause as fighting racism. NEVER. I am deeply disappointed that you would characterize me in that way. What I have pointed out, however, is that it's stupid to debate whether sexism or racism is worse because they are inextricably linked, as well as class, and all spring from the same well.
Damn, AKA. Just when I start to like you, you slap me with that? Geez.
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Question about the Clinton Campaign...
When is its final demise due for announcement? An impatient nation waits.
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@ TRenee
I stand up for women everywhere.
Do you? I take it you have no problem with BryanS calling KStone a broad?
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@AKA Smith
"BTW, I knew you would kick BryanS in the balls for daring to call you sweetheart. We both know you are no sweetheart."
Heh. I have my moments.
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What it looks like to me
Is that "Obama Girls" rather than Clinton "you're a sexist" supporters are the real feminists.
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AKA
It looks to me like KStone can take care of herself.
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@ Smith
I take it you have no problem with BryanS calling KStone a broad?
And if you do, I take it that you have a problem with this site having a women's-issues section called "Broadsheet?"
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Too funny
Is that "Obama Girls" rather than Clinton "you're a sexist" supporters are the real feminists.
Which is complete bull.
It looks to me like KStone can take care of herself.
Which pretty much makes Smith's point, no?
Cheers.
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AKA Smith
Where to begin?
Am I on your shit list because I had the temerity to suggest you were being over sensitive in the McGovern thread yesterday?
There is a lot of sexism everywhere. I have experienced it and decried it. Just earlier in this very thread yesterday (back on page 9 so I don’t blame you if you missed that one), I decried it.
I’ve told you before that I very much appreciate your writing ability. I’m really disappointed that you would wield your considerable skill in the service of such flimsy arguments, and such hateful vitriol.
Bros before hos t-shirts. Really? I think- thought?– you were better than that. I’ll chalk it up to being angry and let bygones be bygones but really, I don’t think verbally kicking, punching and spitting on women who disagree with you is a feminist move, but I digress….
Point is, my solidarity is with humanity- not genitalia. If that’s not YOUR version of feminism then so be it. I think the verbal jabs that you, KateTex (who is more than capable of dishing out some of the nastiest stuff on these boards) and Hillary Clinton herself, are nothing compared to the deaths, injuries, rapes, displacement and horrific conditions that real people in Iraq suffer because Hillary wanted to prove that SHE was as tough as the guys. If you want to take up a feminist argument- take it up with her.
Yes feminism is a progressive cause and I’m all behind it. I just happen to think women in other countries are real people too and that their deaths and rapes matter as much as ours. Does this happen here- of course- and it needs to be stopped. But we certainly can’t clean up our own house by outsourcing our misery.
Another point on the war matters so- it depletes our resources and drives up the cost of everything- resulting in – more poverty, more hunger, more homelessness. The first two which disproportionately affect women and children- all of which should be unconscionable in our society. Yet we allow our leaders to preemptively attack people who do not threaten us. And were threatening to doing it again in Iran. This is feminist?
I don’t think its right or fair or in any way appropriate to put the one progressive cause before another – to say it is more important to fight racism or sexism. Everyone with a conscience should be standing together deploring and countering these things. While it is disgusting that people here and in the media have attacked Hillary Clinton in a sexist manner I have not seen Obama or his campaign do the same – I wouldn’t support that. I have however, seen the Clinton campaign engage in racism or race-baiting if you prefer but have seen nothing but denials from her supporters on this front. That makes big difference to me too. So go ahead and kick me out of your feminism. I’ll stand with the humanists who think its deplorable to wantonly drop bombs on peoples heads, no matter whether they are men, women, children or babies – no matter the color of their skin- no matter who or what they do or don’t pray to- whatever- they’re all humans to me.