Letters to the Editor
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@ katetex
Kate, who is the far left?
Is it Moveon.org? What is THE policy differnece between moveon, or dailykos, or even Obama that makes him further left than Hillary?
I have to laugh how all of a sudden Hillary Clinton isn't a liberal. When the hell did that happen?
It seems to me that the only problem most had with Hillary from the beginning is her Iraq vote and unwillingness to say that it was a mistake.
Other than Iraq, name one single policy difference that makes these people or organizations more liberal than Mrs. Clinton.
I've said from the beginning that I'd support Mrs. Clinton were she the nominee. As a proud Democrat who puts my beliefs above personality, I could never praise McCain and denigrate the presumptive nominee of my party the way you have in your last post.
Do you believe in something or do you only believe in Clinton becoming President? Because on the issues, there isn't a hair's worth of distance between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama and miles between Clinton and McCain.
Again, I keep hearing Clinton supporters talk about how liberals are "they" or "them". What are the policy differences between liberals and Mrs. Clinton that makes her more centrist?
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Why are Clinton supporters use the right's "liberal" label as a smear?
What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."
- JFK
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many of the people who say they are dems are not. You figure it out soon enough. Anyone who claims to be a dem and says they'll vote for McCain if their candidate doesn't win (especially if they didn't JUST walk out of the election center) should raise an eyebrow and great suspicion.
I also am a person who will vote for the dem no matter what his fall. Right now it looks like Obama. If it were clinton I'd go with that too. We all have reasons we PREFER one or the other but give the almost nonexcistant policy differences anyone who says they'd vote for McCain if their dem isn't nominated is probably not a democrat.
Some people feel they know what will ahppen in November. Truth is, none of us do so we are all trying to make predictions based on our own assumptions, some stats, sone past markers, some present indicators, and various random experiences we've had in life.
Obama MIGHT win in a general election run off with McCain. Then again, he might not.
As always we humans hate not being able to predict the world around us. If we're not careful we'll end up inventing another religion to aid us. Maybe we could say a chant and perform some ritual and THEN, we'd know for sure.
Hey, nobody knows what's going to happen in November. Or in three hours for that matter.
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Republican women for Clinton
So they will vote for McCain than Obama. Big deal. They were never Democrats in the first place.
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the internets are weird
Man, the contrast between discourse on the blogs and discourse IRL is striking. I know lots and lots of committed Democrats who argue fiercely about the relative merits of Clinton and Obama, and I've only heard one -- an Obama supporter -- say that he'd vote for McSame over his least-favorite candidate. And that guy changed his tune instantaneously -- and apologized -- when someone mentioned Supreme Court appointments.
In addition to cheerfully supporting any Democratic nominee, us progressives who spend a lot of time on the blogs would do well to take the more extreme statements of those crazy Other Guy Supporters with several fistfuls of salt. They're the wedge. For the sake of our country's future, we must not allow that shit to affect us.
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Clinton supporters vs. Obama supporters
Can we please get off this "Clinton supporters" always XYZ and "Obama supporters" are ABC. The supporters we are hearing from the loudest on boards like this don't represent anyone but themselves. The few that are angry, rude and uncivil do not represent the candidate nor the vast majority of Obama and Clinton supporters who, while having a strong preference, would be happy to have the other win.
And, no, this was not an invitation to say that your single strongly held preference is somehow indicative of what Clinton or Obama supporters believe. This is so "them" and "us" and childish. This race has pushed a lot of buttons, for sure, and some good will come of that. But unless we each own our own anger, prejudices and fears, we're forever going to be projecting them onto "them" and "they" and we'll get nowhere.
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Thank you MaddieP
Thankyou Maddie P. I also am disgusted by the so-called Obama supporters on here showing a complete lack of civility, repellant misogyny and good sportsmanship. I strongly believe they are just GOP trolls, if not waaay too hung up on this primary race.
KateTex- I noticed you didn't bother to respond to the other poster who asked a Clinton supporter to back up Clinton's claims about being the candidate with the experience to do the job.
I have to wonder, if an Obama supporter, or better yet a Biden or Richardson supporter said "I agree with Clinton on most of the issues and I am a loyal Democrat, but I just don't think she has the experience to be president, so I'm going to vote for McCain" what would you say to that person?
You said:
>> Contrast this with Barack Obama, married to a woman who thinks
>>this country is downright mean and nasty (even though she's done very,
>>very well for herself).
This is a flat-out lie that you keep repeating. I'm sure you KNOW McCain and the GOP used Michelle Obama's quote for political theater-and even they didn't make more than a day's worth of hay about it. Michelle Obama clarified the quote by explaining that she was especially proud of the hunger for change voters were showing, but that she has always been and always will be extremely proud of her country and went on to say "Barack and I, our stories wouldn’t be possible, if it weren’t for fundamental belief and pride in this country and what it stands for.”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/805430,michelle21.article
Just because Obama has been less than worshipful of the Clinton years doesn't add up to him being "less than high on America". He is no less a patriot than Hillary Clinton.
I mean if you have to make up lies and repeat Republican talking points to hurt Obama you might as well vote McCain, and campaign for him too. When Bill Clinton ran for president, the usual suspects told us he was an America-hater who burned the flag and dodged the draft, remember? If Clinton is the nominee, those same people will be telling us SHE hates America. Will you believe them and repeat their claims then?