...and i just keep on sending all this to the office of senator edward moore kennedy......after over 30 years of camps. you would think he would know.....after 30 years of camps., i deserve to be heard! all my address book friends keep on asking for more info and i keep on forwarding......especially to florida and michigan!!!!!!!!!!

is that you?

Maybe she did run a bad campaign. Maybe she is the wrong candidate. However, maybe the fact that the Democratic party has been picking candidates who tend, time after time, do do not so well in the general, should tell you something about the fact that the primary system that elects them may not be a great predictor of performance in the general, possibly because it doesn't mimic the way the states will be handed out in the general.

So. I realize, if Obama is the nominee, and loses to McCain in the general (and, to remind you, I'll vote for whoever is the nominee, so don't rise up and accuse me of anti-Obama bias) nobody who supports him will blame the primary system or, probably, the candidate. They may not even blame the Republicans, or the voters. They'll blame Hillary Clinton.

The only candidate the nominating process has given the Democrats in recent memory the general public seemed to like (Bill Clinton) many here now seem to hate. I just wonder whether the process does seem to not deliver Democratic candidates who are capable of winning. In November, we'll see if it holds true. If Obama (the putative nominee) doesn't win, I realize Clinton will be blamed, even if she dropped out tomorrow. But, if it happens, maybe someone might want to look beyond that easy target and look over the whole process.

The premise that winning more big states in the primaries is what matters in the GE is belied by looking at the electoral map showing the distribution of states won by the parties respectively in 2000. Of the top 10 states by population, George Bush "won" states ranked 2, 4, 7, and 10 (Texas, Florida, Ohio and Georgia). Gore won the other six -- including California (1), New York (3), Illinois (5)Pennsylvania (6), Michigan (8) and New Jersey (9)).

In other words, Gore won more "big" states. It's true that turning around one of these big states would have yielded a different result. It's also true that turning around any number of smaller states would have changed the result, including any of the following: Nevada (4 votes); Virginia (13); Colorado (8); Missouri (11); North Carolina (14).

In other words: you can lose a couple of big states and still win if you can figure out how to win in Nevada, Virginia, Colorado, Missouri or North Carolina. THIS IS HOW THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN WINNING SINCE 1968: BY WINNING A LOT OF LITTLE STATES. IF DEMOCRATS WANT TO WIN CONSISTENTLY THEY HAVE TO TAKE SOME OF THESE SMALLER STATES AWAY AND YOU CAN'T DO THAT BY PRETENDING THEY DON'T EXIST.

How many times and how loudly does this have to be shouted before Hillary Clinton, Sean Wilentz and the DLC start listening? I LIKE Hillary Clinton but I can't stand her strategy whether it wins the nomination or not.

It is so important to note that Senator Clinton is by right the best candidate for the office of President of these our United States of America.

Senator Clinton is very knowledgeable, kind, sincere and most important a commander in chief who will lead this country back to the fiscal responsibility that her husband did in the 1990's. We must never forget the prosperity of the 90's and the fact that it was her expertise as First Lady along with Vice Presient Al Gore and above all President Clinton who made this country rich and very prosperous during those years.

Senator Clinton is very much the most electable candidate because she has won all of the states that will be needed for a Democratic candidate to win the White House. O'Bama has not won those viable states that are needed, not to mention Florida and Michigan definitely should be seated at the Convention with her receiving the majority of the delegates because she won those states hands down with O'Bama not even close to her.

She is the best candidate for the job, so these next primaries up until June should all or most of them anyway should go in her column in order to bring her close to the nomination.

She will get it---I can feel it because with the help of GOD, she will make history as the first woman to sit in the Oval Office of these our "United States of America" and we know that this country will get back to fiscal responsibility because as Wife, Mother, First Lady, Senator and President she will see to this!!!!!!!!

Hillary, we love you and continue to work for the nomination. I am doing my part with my financial gifts, time and writings to make sure that you make history!!!!!!!

Sprat 12

Atlanta, GA

Of all the things I've ever read in Salon- and that goes back eight years- this is the biggest bundle of bullshit by a billary mile. a billary mile is either longer or shorter than a true mile, depending on how Her Highness is feeling at the time. She is losing- a sane person, which leaves out the sheep bleating on this thread this morning- would know that there is no chance for her to overtake Obama, and only a very public, lengthy, televised convention blood letting would give her any chance to bribe, bitch, or blather her way with the stupordelegates. That would greatly increase the odds for McLame to win an election in which he has no chance. Any residual affection I might have felt for the Clintons- who did do some admirable things in their time in Washington- has evaporated. I think he's a ego-bloated scold and that she's a conniving, duplicitous douche bag. They'd do the country a great service by doing that of which they are utterly incapable: accepting defeat with grace. Again- I will, with great reluctance, vote for the shrew if she finagles her way, squirming through loopholes coated in KY jelly, into the nomination. I will never vote for a republikan. Ever. Even the Klintoonians ain't that bad. They're getting close, though. Here's a middle finger salute to billary, this bilgewater article, and the brain dead 'bots posting in support of the most anti-democratic manure I've had the misfortune to have foisted on me. Piss off, the lot of you. And no, you can't have your ball back.