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Monday, April 7, 2008 12:00 AM

Why Hillary Clinton should be winning

Under a winner-take-all primary system, Hillary Clinton would have a wide lead over Barack Obama -- and enough delegates to clinch the nomination by June.

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Monday, April 7, 2008 10:23 AM

@Slider

When I was at the caucus for Supertuesday, Clinton supporters were mostly older but not all and I had several black women who were there for Clinton who sat with me. Obama supporters basically screamed out their vitriol at Clinton and shouted down those who spoke for her. The two black women who I sat next to told me later that other blacks had called them names like bitch and cunt and traitor for not voting for Obama. Not one, (NOT ONE GOD DAMN ONE!) Clinton supporter said anything at all bad about Obama but they were surely trashed for any word said in support of Clinton. Think of this experience a thousand upon thousand fold across the country.

Do you think Clinton supporters are going to forget how they and Clinton have been treated? Especially some of those older people who can just as easily identify with McCain if he tries hard enough to garner their support.

And when it comes to older women, what Obama supporters DON'T REALIZE is that those older women who support Clinton IDENTIFY with her and also IDENTIFY with how she is treated....because they have been treated that way. When Clinton is trashed, is called a cunt or bitch, is demonized, is arrogantly devalued because she is an older woman, is hated just because she is Clinton or just because she is a woman, when those moments do occur when she is unfairly characterized, when her age or her looks are trashed, whatever it is, they feel like it's being done to them - because they've had it done to them. It's like it's being done to them all over again every time it's done to her.

And Obama supporters can pretend all they want to that doesn't matter and that those women will come around to voting for Obama in November just because, but many of them will remember how Clinton was trashed and how THEY were treated and say NO. It's blind arrogance on the part of Obama supporter thinking that those women will simply forget and "fall in line".

And it's THAT willful blind ARROGANCE pretending that those women don't matter, that those Clinton supporters who have been disenfrancised in Florida and Michigan don't matter and all the Clinton supporters that have been insulted with such vehemence here and most especially a caucuses across the country don't matter, that will cost us the election in November.

But Obama supporters can live right now in their fool's paradise. Do it now because it ain't going to last.

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:26 AM

Strange article..

Sean, what was the point of this article? If left was right and up was down and black was white everything would be different? All true, but totally irrelevant. It seems like the real point of this article was to bash Obama and nothing more, and I'm sick of the bashing from both sides.

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:29 AM

and if frogs had wings...

I mean no offense to Mr. Wilentz, but how is this even worth publishing? This article is the equivalent of a post-Super Bowl Tom Brady complaining that rushing and passing touchdowns should count differently. Completely absurd. I am a long time reader of Salon and I enjoy the multitude of viewpoints, but this one lacks the thought i would expect in a middle school book report.

Maybe I do mean offense. Sorry Sean... but your argument fails to have a point. The rules are the rules and everyone knew them ahead of time. If anything HRC should lose points for failing to adjust to the rules. And should lose respect from journalists for expecting them to be changed for her benefit.

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:35 AM

The "minors"

GCS11111 wrote:

America doesn’t need and untried rookie this time around. Send BHO back to the minors for more seasoning.

Well, I wouldn't go that far, but at least he needs to finish his first Senate term (6 years) before he contemplate the highest power in the land. Let him complete his job THERE first, before aspiring to the grandee vision. By contrast, HRC has paid her dues and put in her time, working on many different bills, in many committees.

Obie is a neat guy- but a whippersnapper, who needs to heel to his seniors. We don't need or want young, wet behind the ears sprats taking top political jobs when they haven't even moved beyond their political bibs yet.

This is HRC's time, and her destiny. Obie can come back in 2012 while still a young feller, at the age of only 54.

Oh, here's an idea to get OBie out now. We can up his digs in the Senate office bldg. and vow to move him to a proper office - with full staff - out of the basement.

He may accept that, after being blown out in PA (despite the absurd polls - and we know how well they forecast events in NH)

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:35 AM

Same Point Being Made with Charts and Totals at Rasmussen

Article not relevant at Salon? Made up figures? Fluff? How funny, because it's being "made up" with all the facts and figures to see at Rasmussen.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_wesley_little/what_if_democrats_used_winner_take_all

But of course that would offend all the Obama supporters that any thing written that doesn't 100% perfect view of Obama's campaign is anything but sacrilege and irrelevant.

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:39 AM

Article an obvious plant

This article is the written equivalent to the carnival geek sitting on the collapsable platform, jeering at the crowd, egging them on to hit the red target which will plunge the geek into the pool. Nya nya nya he says, and it feels so good when you hit the target. And so the people buy more tickets. This is an early spring gift to the readers of Salon.

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:40 AM

ELECTORAL COLLEGE

An excellent article, re-emphasizing that it is the electoral college that counts in the end. Without a majority of those votes, no one gets to the White House. The rest is just chaff...

Monday, April 7, 2008 10:40 AM

Intellectual dishonesty

A first year debate student could rip this postulation apart.

The candidates went into this knowing the rules and planning their campaigns accordingly. It stands to reason that the strategies would have been different under a different set of rules.

Which states a candidate wins/loses during the primary does not correlate to which ones will be won/lost in the general. Only democrats (for the most part) are voting in the primary. They are choosing between the options in their favored party. In the general they are choosing between their favored party and the parties they don't favor. And other people are voting, too. One can safely picture heavily democratic state such as Massachusetts and New York voting for that party in the general. It will be more interesting to see how other states do, given the interest that has been drummed up in this primary. So, one can see that the democratic nominee who stirs up more votes in traditionally non-Democrat state might post more of a challenge to the Republican party.

There are more fatal flaws, but the biggest one is the non-disclosure of author bias. Having publicly endorsed Senator Clinton, this author should not be allowed to publish pieces as journalistic when they are actually opinion borne out of campaign partisanship.

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