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Monday, November 5, 2007 12:00 AM

The agonizing truth about CIA renditions

The fate of prisoners secreted away under the Bush administration is in some ways worse than even Hollywood has portrayed.

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Monday, November 5, 2007 02:09 PM

conservative thugs

This is the truth about the right. They will do anything to anyone to retard the human race's progress towards a decent and enlightened society. In this respect they are exactly the same as the so-called terrorists over whom they claim some moral superiority. They themselves are extremists and in what they do to people they think are extremists they behave like terrorists. To believe that rendition and places like Guantanamo Bay or Abu Grahib are the correct approach to dealing with extremism you have to believe what a Jewish 'freedom fighter' said of the massacre he had presided over in a Palestinian village in the 1940's - 'Out of evil good came'. No. No good can ever come out of evil any more than you can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. To do evil is to be evil, no matter how much Bush and Cheney and their hired killers and torturers spin the truth. And evil comes back to the evil-doer. Look at the situation Israel is presently in. Hardly a shining success story or a recommendation for the behaviour that seems to have passed from Israel to America like a virus. Worst of all, countries that go down this path find it almost impossible to turn back, because turning back would be to admit that what they had done was evil. The right will never change its corrupt and irrational course, and regardless of race, religion or gender, the only solution is not to elect them.

Monday, November 5, 2007 03:00 PM

Nobody knows.

How many torture camps are the Bushites operating around the world?

Nobody knows.

How many prisoners do the Bushites have at these torture camps?

Nobody knows.

How many prisoners have they tortured to death?

Nobody knows.

How many American citizens are they holding at these torture camps?

Nobody knows.

How many people have been 'disappeared' by the Bushites?

Nobody knows.

How many children have they had raped in front of their parents in an effort to make them 'talk'?

Nobody knows.

Or rather, nobody is telling.

It's a secret.

It has nothing to do with 'protecting Amerika'. It has everything to do with establishing an Orwellian police state.

The Bush Gestapo is upon you. Not only is this true, but it gets worse the more you look at it.

Monday, November 5, 2007 11:19 PM

The Constitution Is Important.

Of course it is- we've been taught that since we took social studies or civics in high school. But the interesting question is why.

Management and systems experts have proven conclusively that the system, or context in which one operates, is more powerful than individual values. They put it this way: "the context, or system, always trumps personal values."

In school it's called peer pressure. In business it's called to get along you go along. In the military it's called looking out for your unit and your buddies. In most social circles it's called etiquette or honoring social norms. No matter what the system happens to be, most of us figure out that it's just good business and good judgment to follow the norms.

They exist because we all function better when we honor the same agreed upon rules. When we have a system which doesn't honor these rules we get a society which is fearful and sometimes paranoid.

Honoring social contracts is observable in every country and every social structure. If the system you're a part of has good values, it will be easier for you to both behave honorably and maintain your membership in good standing without fear of reprisal of any kind.

The U. S. Constitution provides a systematic way of maintaining good values whereby all members of society can exist in peace and harmony. By stating that the rights of the individual are paramount, and that the government is here to serve us, and not the other way around, the Constitution and Bill of Rights pretty much cover the way a civil and civilized society can flourish.

It is obvious that people's behavior is very much governed by their context. Change the rules of the game and we are only asking for trouble - which, unfortunately, seems to be a commodity we have in great abundance.

Living by wise and proven rules protects all of us - even those who would otherwise stray were the rules relaxed. Weaken those rules and we're just asking for trouble.

The current administration has done far more harm than is obvious when it says to its citizens, and to the rest of the world - we don't have to follow the rules.

The Bush administration is dangerous because it is essentially ignorant of the benefits this country has enjoyed due to its profoundly wise Constitution. Thus we have both elected and appointed officials who lie with impunity, an Attorney General nominee who can't say that waterboarding is torture and other government agency heads altering reports when those reports don't support their own ideological positions.

Supporting our Constitution is not a political option; our survival depends on it. If we are to survive, and democracy and human rights are to spread it can only happen if we are willing to stand up for what is right and decent. That is our mission - to be an exemplar of honorable and humane treatment of all people,everywhere. And it starts right here at home.

Monday, November 5, 2007 11:25 PM

IN RESPONSE TO HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS = ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT

Human rights groups

Here's an organization I give a paltry amount of my paltry salary to:

Amnesty International: http://www.amnesty.org/

They're on top of pretty much all of the biggest human-rights issues of the day. Read their site often. They're very on-the-ball and worth your time and attention.

Another group I like is Human Rights Watch: http://www.hrw.org/

They're excellent. They look into all sorts of abuses and issue very credible and thorough reports.

Needless to say, issues like waterboarding and extraordinary rendition are high on their agendas.

-- Xrandadu Hutman

I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND WITH - HRW.ORG IS A JOKE...I CALLED /

E-MAILED & CALLED AGAIN ONCE A STORY ABOUT GHOST DETAINEES CAME

2 LIGHT...

I TRIED TELLING ABOUT A MATTER I KNEW OF - BEING THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE 4 GETTING 3 PEOPLE CAPTURED (AS FOR MORE IS UNCLEAR

DUE 2 ALL OF THE SECRECY)

WELL THEY KIND OF SHRUGGED IT OFF & NOT SEEMING SINCERE OR CARING THROUGH-OUT OUR CALLS -- E-MAILS = NO REPLY -- EVEN WITH

THE DAMNING EVIDENCE I PROVIDED 2 THEM AS A FIRSTHAND ACCOUNT..

SO I HAD 2 PASS THE INSIGHT ONTO DANA PRIEST OF THE WASHINGTON

POST WHO WON A PULTIZER PRIZE 4 THE SECRET CIA PRISONER TRANSPORTS = RENDITION...

THEN I LEARN THESE GROUPS IN A WAY HAVE 2 FOLLOW SUIT IF THEY

WANT FEDERAL FUNDS 2 KEEP FLOWING 4 THEM 2 KEEP OPERATING - WELL I AM SURE YOU ALL CAN FIGURE OUT THE REST -- EVEN EXTENDS AS FAR AS 2 THE SO-CALLED GOVT. WATCHDOG ADVOCACY GROUPS...

I WILL SAY THERE WERE TIMES MY CELLPHONE WAS ABOUT 2 RING (CAN

TELL BY THE STATIC ON TV) OR WAS RINGING & THE CALL WAS NEVER CONNECTED - THANKS 2 THE GOOD OLD "NSA" & BELLSOUTH / AT&T WHO

ILLEGALLY SPIED UPON A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN CITIZEN WHO FOUND MOST WANTED TERRORISTS ONLY 4 THIS ADMIN. 2 COVER IT UP & RECENTLY RELEASE ONE & 4 ME TELLING MANY MEMBERS OF CONGRESS ABOUT IT = WHO'VE DONE NOTHING AS OF YET...

SO AS YOU GUESSED I BECAME PUBLIC ENEMY # 1 FOR GETTING SERIAL KILLING TERRORISTS CAPTURED THAT SOME FEDERAL OFFICIALS DID NOT

WANT CAPTURED THEN - 2 PULL OFF THIS STORY = SOON 2 COME...

CHENEYS' AIDE SAID = "WE ARE 1 BOMB AWAY FROM OUR GOALS"

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/09/04/addington/index.html?source=newsletter

HERE'S THE PRESS CONF. LINK & THE 3 IN BLACK & WHITE I AM TALKING ABOUT...

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/may04/bolo052604.htm

READ ABOUT IT ALL AT:

http://360.yahoo.com/caspereraser1

PLUS I CAN POST THE NUMEROUS E-MAILS THAT WERE SENT 2 HRW.ORG

ACLU / CCR.ORG / WATCHDOG ADVOCACY GROUPS / ETC...

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