We know these devils now. So what are we going to do about them? I'm really interrested to know because some people are reasonably asking if we can expect them to pull a Nuri al maliki (I know I can't spell) after the next election. Then what will we do? Besides, I don't think we should wait for the election, they can still do a lot of dammage before then.

Trying to reply to multiple letters I just read about this article:

First - Milgram's famous experiement with simple ordinary people showed that 71% of the population (American at the time) would torture if they were instrucuted to do so (was confirmed by a recent Stanford experiement).

Second - it is simulated drowning. In actual drowning you die.

Third - this article uses the faulse details (only CIA knows some of the facts) to construct a certain level of faulse credibility.

Fourth - This article is skewed extrem left on skewz.com

...knowing full well that torture doesn't work and yet exactly why did they and why do they to this very day continue to do the same. mayhap ther real agenda is to coarsen and terrorize the American people.Maybe "We the people" are the real and final victims of torture.

Scalia mad it very clear where they, Bushco/ Rethugs/SCOTUS are headed. He called for the END of the rule of law and the END of democracy in America.

Why are they trying to tear us down and make us like them.What is the end effect of their destruction of America. Is it the I'll kill you if I have to, to savey our soul agenda rearing it's ugly head upon us all.

Once again I am led to look at the groups that endorse and support the Republican Party. Who are they? The corporations/ wealthy provide the money for the Rethugs to create their evil agenda of profits at any cost. But since only 8100 American families control 90% of the wealth of America (Mexico is controlled by 15 families who own 90% of the wealth of Mexico) they do not have the votes to control our country.

So who provides the votes. The 'red' voters give them the votes. The 'red' votes/ voters are the evangelical fundies and the Catholic Rethugs, most Catholics, who do what the Pope tells them to do.

Now that we know where the votes come from we also know who are the powers that perpetrate these horrors upon us, "We the people", the 241 million who are not them. Remember only 59 million voted for Mr. Boosh and they barely succeeded at putting Dumbya, the First Fool into the WH despite the help of the SCOTUS and the Pope and the Falwells of America.

This cabal of horrors is/are the ones who have brought the rest of us down to their level of depravity and fundamentalist thinking. Their mindset of 'We'll take away your God given and inalienable rights to save your soul', perversions of justice makes them the true sources of evil and depravity, the killers and torturers that they are.

Why did Pop John Paul bring down the horrors of the Rethug Party onto all the rest of us. Can we all remember that the Catholic Religion, my religion, has done many of the same things at other times; the Spanish Inquisition, Hitler and the Holocaust, the Crusades etc.etc.

WWJD? He, the Prince of Peace, would never condone any of this mess the Church has done and contiues to do.

The ME is at the top of the Boosh family hit list. Russia is at the top of the Popes hit list.

When the aforementioed vilify people as they always do (the Jews, women, Muslims, victims of the Spanish Inquisition etc.etc., it is no wonder tha those vilified peoples just don't sit still and keep taking their vilification. They are fully aware that they are being vilified and someday they snap, join together for mutual protection and eventually fight back.

That is what vilification and the resultan wars does/do to people. The Jewish psyche is damaged and very possibly for many generations/ millenia to come. The muslims have never forgotten the Crusades and for many millenia to come may not recover from i, the Crusades.

All of this unending war and killing just cuses more war and killing. When will it ever stop; I see nothing on the even far horizons that it will end.Thank you NOT, fundamentalist religions for what you have done to the rest of us.

It is of no wonder that the human race cannot get up out of thegutter and walk/ run/ move forward, what with fundie religions holding us back and dragging us down to their fundie mindset.

Torture and death is truly what they are all about. They are only interested in preserving their man-made structures/ creations and do not seem to see anything else. They are nothing more than a bunch of hucksters selling the fundie crap and getting away with it.

Fundie religions have now lived beyond any usefulness and are dragging us, the family of man, down.

'And all that you need is within you and about you...'. Paraphrased, but close. I'mso gla that I'm not the Popes kind of Catholic. I'll keep my eye on that liberal Jewish guy who set out a way of life and a creed by which we should.must live. Give meno more of the false 'culture of death' religions.The semitic peoples of the ME are surely paying a terrible price, western religions are killing them.Be they Jewish or Muslim they ar paying a terrible price.

Secrecy is a friend of the torturer.

Exactly. That's one reason why censorship exists.

Based upon all the information that has appeared on the internet recently about the practice of water boarding, it is time to stop using the descriptive phrase "simulated drowning".

I suggest instead "suffocation by forced inhalation of water, that in most but not all cases, stops just short of death"

etyfreak wrote, "Okay, now the other side. 3,000 people died on September 11th, would it be worth it to have tortured one person to stop it? 10 people? How about an extreme: is it worth the cost to torture one person to save the lives of every American (e.g. a biological attack)? I say yes."

I say no. Thirty years ago, at Stanford University, Philip Zimbardo did experiments with normal students asked to play the roles of jailers and prisoners, using makeshift cells that had been created in a classroom building. Almost immediately, the "jailers" began to physically and emotionally humiliate the "prisoners," to the point of torture. The "prisoners" found their ordinary strength overwhelmed by being in this role. Most of them said or did whatever seemed necessary to get relief from the punishments.

US military leaders have explained time and again that the best way to get good information from prisoners (rather than have them just parrot whatever you tell them, or make up things to say, to avoid more torture) is to be kind to them, create a relationship in which they feel they can tell you what you need to know.

Torture provides information--but it's useless information that will NOT save anybody's life.