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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:00 AM

Back to the Dark Ages

Pope Benedict's animosity toward other faiths reveals a deep arrogance rooted in a blinkered Catholicism utterly out of place in the 21st century.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 03:42 PM

The Old Testament

Golden boy, this one is especially for you.

Christians, why do you always only focus on the New Testament? Yes, Jesus was a great guy, with a lot of wonderful ideas, but, don't forget, the old testament is part of your sacred scripture as well. So for all those who love to quote scary quotes from the Koran, i gotta tell you, the old testament, that little old ditty, has some great zingers, worthy of any al-qaid tract. Observe:

Deuteronomy 21:18 "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."

22:5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

22:20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl's virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father's house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father's house. You must purge the evil from among you.

22:22 If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel.

13:6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. 9 You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

And so on. What was that Jesus taught, something about being the first to cast a stone?

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 03:45 PM

GB - Actually, I saw xpotfarmer's posts after I had submitted mine...

...there was enough in the preceding pages (some of it still up) to prompt my remarks. But he certainly put an exclamation point on them!

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 03:46 PM

Oh, almost forgot, the most important one:

Deuteronomy 12:32

"See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it."

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 03:50 PM

LeCastor

Hello, LeCastor, nice to see you again in the letters section.

Thanks for the Old Testament quotes. I'm sure it was interesting to some people. Can you please point out where any of this is being put into practice currently?

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 03:53 PM

Jesus...Mohammed...Buddha...Thor...Baron Samedi...Anansi the Spider....Zarathustra....Captain Kirk...Spiderman...

Chloe: Jesus, if he existed (show me the bones; the teeth; SOMETHING), was closer in temperament and appearance, being from that part of the world, to the woman-disdaining Muslim clerics we fret so much about these days than the bearded, silken-haired dream-date that most Americans fantasize him as. He would have dressed, gestured, performed his ablutions, eaten and looked at you (or any woman) very much as they do. There are many passages in the Bible that confirm the default misogyny of the Nazarene's faith; if you don't know them, it's worth your while to look them up.

Islam, being the derivative Johnny-come-lately of the Oriental faiths, is far from the opposite of original (pre-homogenized) Christianity. The biggest difference I can detect between these two primitive tribes is that the Muslims are so primitive they actually still BELIEVE that stuff. The Christians (thank god) are largely hypocrites. The hypocrisy, ironically, is their saving grace.

How you magical-thinkers of the Christian faith think you can distance yourselves from Islam or even Voodoo, logically, is something that never ceases to amuse me. I'll say one thing: it was only, what, seven years ago that I thought that no single word had as many negative connotations as 'Christianity'. I must admit that Islam now takes the cake. And rarely if ever amuses me at all anymore.

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 03:59 PM

Golden Boy

Thanks for the Old Testament quotes. I'm sure it was interesting to some people. Can you please point out where any of this is being put into practice currently?

-- Golden Boy

ah, interesting. so that's the relevant question? if it's not practiced anymore, is it no longer the word of god and his commandment? What a strange interpretation of a religious text, don't you think?

And what about: Deuteronomy 12:32 "See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it."

Do you think god was just kidding around, that he didn't mean it? Or are you questioning the word of god now, or picking and choosing from his word what you like and don't like? Fascinating.

Also, i don't know if you've heard, but many people are still into virginity, and the whole cross-dressing thing? I don't think Pat Robertson approves of that either. I guess that means i can't wear pants. Darnit.

Wednesday, September 20, 2006 04:08 PM

LeCastor

You aren't by any chance a lawyer are you? Let me guess, newly minted (we used to call them "baby lawyers") with good grades from a good school?

Well.. ad hominems aside :) Yes it DOES matter how the religion is practiced. No one is concerned with the theology of Homer anymore, or of the Comanches (who practiced extreme, ritualized torture that would put modern horror movies to shame), or of the Norseman. We are concerned about Islam because it threatens us. When the relevent passages from that fantasically boring combination of the Bible and Arab ambition called the Koran are quoted by people determined to make all of us in the house of war submit, I am concerned.

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