Letters to the Editor
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Great Smith
You've made your decision, now please fuck off, you're an easy target for derision.
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@ oblomova
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"You are what you pretend to be. So you have to be very careful about what you pretend to be."
Actually, it's Hamlet: "But go not to thy brother's bed. Mother, for love of grace, assume a virtue if you have it not, and that will lend a kind of easiness to the next abstience, the next, more easy."
And probably Cicero or someone before that.
But point taken. (Sorry, I'm crazy for Hamlet.)
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@ chimpygo
Do you know what just happened? You got bitter over culture war bullshit and made a voting decision based on it.
Yep. I sure as hell did, and if Obama supporters keep it up as they have been, a whole lot of other people are going to make the same decision or a similar decision for the same reasons.
I am tired of people pretending that Clinton has played the race card when Obama supporters play it here every damn day against Clinton supporters. They can go the fuck to hell, those of them that do that. The whole fucking Democratic Party can go to hell! I am tired of the sexist attacks and I am tired of being called a racist or people claiming that I don't understand a goddamned fucking thing because of my "white privilege." The whole damned lot of you can piss off!
(And that includes you, weeping for brunnhilde, with your disingenuous redefinition of racism to include every white person and your utterly upper class arrogant elitism. I am on to your little game and the way you manipulate people!)
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AKA
I respect you, too, and value your contributions to this forum.
And maybe you weren't responding just to me, but my whole point was don't not vote for Obama because some supporters are jerks (even if you think that's me).
If you really favor Clinton, vote for her, but please don't make a decision about who will run this country based solely on anger at people who won't be running the country.
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oh
well i guess you beat me to the submit button...
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ok, Aka
I'm sorry you feel that way, really.
I don't know what I did to infuriate you, but I'm sorry for all the pain you're carrying around.
Suffering sucks, I know, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. And you're far from being my worst enemy.
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@ chimpygo
My anger was not directed at you.
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jesus
Smith, nobody ever said you don't understand a "goddamn fucking thing". You understand a great deal. There are a lot of things you're quite an authority about. Racial politics is not one of them, as your misunderstanding of the concept of privilege (it does not mean what you seem to think it means) indicates.
That doesn't mean you're a bad person; it just means that you show your ass a little bit when you try to talk about race.
Honestly, you're doing yourself a disservice by raging like this. Through endless pitched battles with the likes of brightstar65 you've kept your head; and now you're flipping out at other liberals? I sure hope this passes; we do need you.
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btw, aka
I don't care what you think of me, but you did say something about racism that I think is important, which is that my redefinition was disingenuous (so as?) to include all white people.
You're right, as far as it goes, it does include all white people.
But it also includes all black people.
And all people who live in societies in which race is a key sorting mechanism.
As I tried to argue, within that category is an infinite variety of manifestations, but we're none of us immune to channeling the legacy and spectre of racism is my point.
It's an important one, so whatever you think of me, I do hope you'll at least entertain the idea I'm attempting to articulate.
I'm not trying to judge anyone, which seems to be your primary concern.
That's my point: we need to take judgment out of the equation in order to be better able to assess and recognize.
But it's not just about race, it's about anything.
The basic idea is the "banality of evil," an idea developed by Hannah Arendt to account for the participation of an entire country in genocide.
I'm not really an expert on the theory, by any means, but the basic point is that it's not the nutjobs who are the problem, but everyone else.
It's her basic idea that, in the case of trying to achieve justice or a humane society or something, it's a distortion to divide the world into good guys and bad guys.
But I'll stop now and maybe someone else can articulate this better than I can.
I fear with each word I'm only serving to antagonize you more, which is exactly not my purpose.
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@ AKA
I am not being scarcastic but am quite serious that no one who an Obama supporter has called a racist should vote for Obama. Really. We get quite tired of that, but I have been accused of being a racist and not recognizing that I have white privilege despite the fact that I have been very poor and actually homeless, darn it, and well obviously Obama supporters do not want flawed people like me to support Obama.
I've been called sexist by Hillary supporters more times than I can think. It doesn't bother me because I'm not sexist. You see, when you're comfortable in who you are, name calling won't bother you as much.
But you've been homeless so I guess we should all just kiss your ass so you'll vote Obama. Frankly, I don't care if you vote for Obama or not. I'm not a paid employee of the Obama campaign and if he lost, my life would go on. You see, I'm a moderately wealthy white man in America and a McCain Presidency would probably help me. So I'll be damned if I'm going to kiss someone's ass and beg them to do something in their self-interest and not mine.
In fact there is actually a letter writer in this thread who wants us to die.
That letter your referring to was written by a Clinton supporter setting up a straw man to take down.
Yep. I sure as hell did, and if Obama supporters keep it up as they have been, a whole lot of other people are going to make the same decision or a similar decision for the same reasons
I doubt that. Most people don't care enough to sit up at night and be humiliated on salon.com's message board. Truth is, mark my words - in the end most working class folks of all races will be voting Democratic because they just aren't stupid enough to vote for McCain, because even folks without a college degree know enough to come out of the rain.
What I can't figure out is why so many rich white people vote Democratic.