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Neither Clinton nor Obama has done anything remotely rivaling the tactics of the Atwater-Rove school of playing dirty that we always get on the Republican side. Both sides have had supporters say things that are less than couth. Both sides have fought hard for the nomination, to which I say good for them! Overwhelming majorities of Democrats do not want either candidate to fold. So HRC plays a little hardball - so what? Right now according to www.electoral-vote.com she holds out better against McCain too. The Clinton years were the best years we have had as a country in a long time. Sure he triangulated, but he also WON twice. Doesn't that count for anything in our party? Speaking at least for myself if I am tempted to say Obama's done it too what I really mean is many of his zealot supporters like some of the posters on this thread can't even pretend to respect Clinton. That is what bothers me the most. I still want a ticket with both of them, but I don't want it decided until convention.