Letters to the Editor
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shawn and Illinois politics
you know, even some Clinton fans do get a little tired of the incessant rants, my friend. You have not a clue as to why Slider and I are chortling over Oberweiss; not EVERYTHING can be forced into a single format as you keep trying to do. Lighten up, you're embarrassing your colleagues.
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Shawn the Yawn
Leave him alone Doc. He'll wear himself out and collapse in a heap of self inflicted fury. He has to take it out somewhere. Let it be here.
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@doc54
you know, even some Clinton fans do get a little tired of the incessant rants, my friend. You have not a clue as to why Slider and I are chortling over Oberweiss; not EVERYTHING can be forced into a single format as you keep trying to do. Lighten up, you're embarrassing your colleagues.
With all due respect I made politically astute points which you can deride if you want, but Hastert's district after all, obviously leans Republican and I'm betting November proves me right, unfortunately. As another person noted earlier, I have been involved in politics and watched these things for a long time.
As for the rest, my posts have been consistently content-filled and reasoned despite the fact that 99.9% of the posts coming from the Obamateur camp are in fact vulgar slurs,inane personal attacks, references to Hitler, all things that truly DO qualify as immature "rants". In fact even messages offered by the comparatively civil "Reality Based Liberal" amount to propoganda and a silly game of throwing the kitchen sink at Hillary and then asking the rest of us to defend it.
If your idea of how to solve this involves hitting ME over the head all as your Obamateur colleages have remained conspicuously silent as three or four posters under 150 aliases have turned the thread into something that makes the Free Republicn seem positively intellectual than I'm embarrased for YOU. It justifies the Republican portrayal of the left as spineless weaklings. As another earlier posted noted, perhaps there is no more place in the Democratic party for the last holdouts of moderates.
Let's see how well you do without us.
Signing off.
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no thanks MadameF
I found Shawn passionate but over the top. I find you exactly the same. An awful lot of rage and smashing up, in just 24 hours of posting. I've only been around here two years but it's hard to find a more degraded conversation anywhere in the archives than yours (plural for a lot of people from both sides) have been tonight.
late enough for me, and your thread has fallen apart anyway.
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@doc5467
found Shawn passionate but over the top. I find you exactly the same. An awful lot of rage and smashing up, in just 24 hours of posting
I find that so insulting words fail me. Passionate I may be, but I've yet to call anyone a "kotex", compare them to Hitler, tell them to "lube up" and reactively paint everyone who disagrees with me as a "Nazi" and a "racist".
However, in much of the left's mind they have to demonstrate their "fairness" by dinging everyone instead of the true offenders, and I humbly suggest that it hasn't well served them.
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Yawning Fawning Shawn
Doris Kearns Goodwin wrote a very interesting book about Lincoln and they way he drew what some perceived as political enemies into his cabinet. Of course, the book doesn't have cartoons or frontal nudity, so it won't interest you. What I find most repellent about you is the way you float, inflated by your own opinion of yourself, above the thread like the Hindenberg above New Jersey. So, go and have a snit, or drink yourself blind, or whatever you do this time of night. The Democratic Party will stand or fall on our ability to get past this minutia and vote, in droves. Your 49 state prediction is stump stupid, dumber than dumb, even for you. Every significant poll, fallible though they certainly are, shows Obama beating McLame and Billary losing. She has no upside. All she has she's shown long ago. She voted for the war. That 's the bottom line. Of course, you're familiar with the bottom line. It's where you spend the vast- or in your case half-vast- majority of your time. You're one Charmin dude. Let's roll, as you say. You're not even a good liar, but with the practice you're getting you'll be a fine republikan. Good luck with that rope. love tommy
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shawn
I don't see how you missed my angry and lengthy letter a few hours ago, quoting some of the very outrages you mention, and calling the "civil' Obama posters to task for not objecting to the excesses of their side. I've been roundly scolded for it, and asked why I myself do not criticize those I agree with who go too far.
So, in what I thought a pretty mild way, I did. and I do find you passionate--isn't that a virtue? I do find some of your statements over the top. Isn't that a fault? I had no interest in madamf's cozying up to my comment and said so.
now man up.
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Oh really?
Your 49 state prediction is stump stupid, dumber than dumb, even for you
That's what the Deaniacs said, what the McGovernites said. What the Naderites said too. So there is only one reply to your typically vulgar screed:
Would you like to bet on it? And where will I find you to collect in November?
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Clinton supporters
I promise never to judge your favored candidate based on her backers here -- e.g. ShawnWM.
ShawnWM: I have studiously avoided throwing the kitchen sink at your candidate and stuck to one point -- her willingness not only to run on GOP frames, but attack the other Democratic nominee (and vaunt the GOP nominee) using GOP frames.
That is a fair question about strategy and judgment. (And, because this is such a knee-jerk crowd, I'll stipulate that I am not invoking anything other than the dictionary definition of the word judgment as it applies to my question here.)
I have many other concerns about Clinton (and I have voiced concerns about Obama too, for the record). I have held back on other concerns about Clinton because I was looking for an exchange that didn't just jump straight to some other talking points. Looks like that's just not possible.
I'm not sure I can get into personal attacks on people I don't know. I've given into that urge before, but what's the point? I may try again some day to thoughtfully engage, but I have to say I'm going to bed tonight a little sad that we don't seem to want to answer questions like: What do we stand for? How do we get what we want out of politics? What does it even mean to be a Democrat? Looking at this conversation, I doubt most people here really care.
Good news in IL, though. I used to hang my hat in Chicago.