Letters to the Editor
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@MadameFaulty
Since you're deciding to throw the late kitchen sink of brown hogwash at HRC instead of having that meaningful conversation you promised please answer the following:
- Why did Barrack Obama award millions of dollars of taxpayer money to a Syrian famous for ripping off his investors?
- Why didn't Barrack Obama stand up for his constituents instead of Rezko, as Rezko abandoned the project and even turned off their heat?
- Why did Obama solicit Rezko, by now famously established as a fraudulent to procure high-end luxury property for him?
- Why did Barrack Obama use his legislative position to influence the pay scale of his wife?
- Why haven't Barrack and Michelle been proud to be American before now?
- What foreign poolicy experience does Barrack Obama have, short of visiting Somalia and dresssing in Muslim garb?
- Obama was caught deliberately trying to incite racism into the campaign in South CArolina. Why do you feel that racism against whites is acceptable but not against blacks.
- Many people believe that Obama's posturing when he had no skin in it, about Iraq, was more of an effort to solicit funds from wealthy Syrian and Iranian donors in Illinois than any good judgement call. How does he respond to this?
- John Edwards also "voted for Iraq" (aka voted for preauth to
intelligent people) and John Edwards wasn't even representing
Ground Zero territory (aka NYC) as Hillary was.
Yet one of your particularly obnoxious clones/sigs/aliass is insisting he's a John Edwards guy. Or was. Or something. Why do you give Edwards a pass to "vote for Iraq" while holding it against a woman whose job it was to protect the city most likely to be attacked by Iraqian terrorists.
- Obama has done NOTHING for poor blacks (or whites) in Illinois
at all even in a Democratic environment. Why do you hold hope so
ridiculously that he can do so in a predominantly Republican
environment.
well, we can start here but I won't hold my breath.
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Rover Rover...
..come bring your lines over.
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@ KateTex
I suspect I am somewhere around your age. I grew up in the 1960's when I saw blacks and whites marching together for civil rights. I saw the democratic party, young and old, rich and poor, black and white, male and female, working together to maybe, someday, create a better world. I am not a liberal. I am a moderate. Definitions are fuzzy. I won't go into detail here. But if there is no longer room in the democratic party for people like me, we had better get used to republican rule for the foreseeable future.
In 1972 I was a paid staffer on the McGovern campaign. I didn't support all of his positions. I think even back then he was a bit too left for my tastes. But I remember listening to an ultra left wing radio station one day and the people there were saying how they didn't think it mattered whether McGovern or Nixon were elected. They were both scum. That's the day I decided to work for McGovern. My colleagues were idealists. McGovern represented the new politics. He put together a strong grass roots organization based heavily on the discontent with the Viet Nam war. He had wrested the nomination away from the party regulars. He was going to change the world. He lost 49 states. I have some stories from that campaign that would curl your hair. The dirty tricks that my colleagues, liberal democrats, resorted to changed my view of politics forever.
Ideals are wonderful things. The McGovern campaign was born of ideals. But of course, as I learned to my sorrow (I was so young), the people with all of those ideals did not live them. I haven't been much involved in politics since then. I read a lot. I write some. I vote democratic. And I watch as the democratic party sabotages itself year after year, election after election. I thought we had a real shot this year. All the polls and pundits said this was going to be a democratic year. And here we are, doing it again.
I see a few sane voices here being drowned out by those who claim they represent purity but demonstrate that they are the opposite. I see the democratic party tearing itself apart. The democratic obsession with perceived purity without pragmatism has led to these insane delegate selection rules. Proportional assignment of delegates is "fairer" for the loser, and don't worry about a close race, it will never happen. Super delegates are there to protect the party, but they are politicians who will do what is expedient and in their best interests, not the party or the country. There's an interesting article by a political scientist, not particularly partisan that I can tell, who describes how skewed the democratic primary process really is. It's a little technical in parts but it's sort of an eye-opener.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/2008/03/are_the_chickens_coming_home_t.html
I am tired. I am depressed. This thread has devolved into the worst of the worst. 36 years after McGovern and the race hatred, the ageism, the misogyny, the just plain vile, thoughtless, incendiary flaming. We have made no progess in 36 years. I'm rambling a bit because I feel so frustrated and I know this is just going to incite even more vitriol. I mainly wanted to post to say thank you to you and the few others who have provided thoughtful commentary. Maybe sanity will return. Maybe I'll feel better in the morning.
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Reality Discounts..
Don't put yourself up on some pedestal of "pure truth," because as voices of "sanity" are concerned, you've spun off some of the most scurilous trash anywhere on Salon. So don't exempt yourself. Smugness is only the artificial refuge of a "reality based" scoundrel. Have a smugfest, but please, give your so-called "truths" a much needed rest.
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@RealityCounts
You won't get any vitriol from me. You are by all appearences exactly where I am. Fed up and resigned after 30 years that the left is never ever going to learn from it's mistakes.
I wish the emotional children here would listen to the voice of experience and those of us who have seen all this before and where it got us. But I have given up hope on that too.
Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone though.