Letters to the Editor
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Katetex.
I didn't say you were racist. But the argument you made, that women and blue-collar, lower-income voters overwhelmingly support Clinton doesn't hold up to reality, unless -- of course -- you were only talking about white people (in a handful of states.)
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Jack.
Putting the mathematical loser on the top of the ticket does little to nothing for party unity.
As for Michigan and Florida, they knew the ramifications of their respective decisions and moved up their primaries anyway, so I have very little sympathy for them.
That being said, given their importance in the general election, I'd expect they'll get a do-over of some kind. Fine, so be it. They still don't make Clinton mathematically viable at all. Please, look at the math before you begin suggesting we grant Sen. Clinton 4 years for running a terrible campaign.
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Ko-texarkana
We lived in Wyoming for ten years. Up in that clear mountain air you can spot bullshit ten miles away. Obama is going to kick the Hillster's ample ass today, and again Tuesday in Mississippi. Of course, you all will write that off to all the darkies stickin' together. How does that reconcile with the fact that he obliterates her among the best educated voters? elitist chardonnay brie and cheese snobs, as our fascist friends would say? The Hollywood elite? What Hillary has- all she has, really- is name recognition. That's why she dropped the Rodham like Monica's beret. love, heywood
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@KCM
Please take the blinders off. And yes, you were implying that, due to white myopia, I was oblivious to the presence of blacks in the traditional Democratic base, as did deloresflowers subsequently. I lived in New Orleans, by choice, for 30 years as a white minority. I daresay I'm probably better acquainted with political dynamics as they relate to black voters than 99.9% of those posting on this site. There were approximately three and a half black Republican voters in New Orleans. And I did notice.
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How does the Clinton campaign expect ot take on McCain?
On national security?
On experience?
No, and that's why this whole campaign is bull. She has no intention of going toe-to-toe with McCain on national security.
Go back to 1992. The wall fell, we had a war in Iraq; the world was going through a realignment.
How did Bill Clinton, a youngman with limited foreign policy or national security experience defeat a President with one of the most impeccable resumes in modern history?
It's the economy, stupid.
The economy currently trumps all other issues with Democrats AND Republicans.
And John McCain has professed he knows nothing about the economy. People can be frightened with external boogy-men; but nothing trumps pocketbook issues.
Even a fresh attack doesn't necessarily help the Republican since the attack would occur with a cowboy Republican in the White House.
As in 1992, its the economy stupid.
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@tompayne
You are vile and if there were a mechanism on this site to report abusive messages, I'd utilize it in a second. I simply cannot imagine what how awful it must be to live with someone like you in real time.
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Katetex.
What blinders are you speaking of?
I really don't need to hear, nor care, if some of your best friends are black. Just so long as you realize that the argument you were trying to make falls apart, unless you reduce your voting sample solely to white people in Rust Belt states.
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That 3 AM call
If president Hillary ever received a 3AM call about a crisis, she would imediately start calculating the electoral advantages and pitfall of every option available to her. She might not make a decision before consulting her political director over which decision would net the most political benefits and upsent the lowest possible number of potential voters. Like Larry david said:"allowing that woman near a phone at 3AM or 10PM?.. Are you nuts?!!.."
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@ KateTex
I responded to you with respect and a simple request -- about the candidates and strategy, not about us. I could use the perspective of a Clinton supporter. Please answer the two questions I posed below.
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@KCM
Now you're being really, really willfully obtuse. Yes, black voters comprise an essential element of the traditional Democratic voter base. Yes, they are overwhelmingly voting for Barack Obama and not Hillary Clinton this time around. They have been voting for him ever since South Carolina, when the Clinton's became overnight racists. Therefore, I did not include blacks in my description of core Democrats who are voting for Hillary Clinton. She is only receiving a small percentage of black votes. Would you like me to clarify further? You're beating this to death. Fini. Onward.
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@reality-based
I'm sorry, but I got sidetracked with the silliness above. I will respond later, but I absolutely have to get dressed and do something other burn up the keyboard this afternoon. This site is far too seductive...
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KateTex
Also, are you possibly the last person in the country to learn that Obama is getting nearly the entirety of the black this time around? Why is he taking the black vote away from the spouse of the First Black President?
Toni Morrison and others at Salon have repudiated this stupid spinning of Bill as the first black president. Morrison has endorsed Barack Obama. Spin on girlfriend.
Why are blacks so turned off by Hillary Clinton? Where were you when Bill Clinton dissed African Americans when Barack Obama won SC?
You come off like your entitlement sisters AKASmith and LJWalker. All bluster and no substance in matters of race and gender.
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Oh KateTex and your willful ignorance
"Also, are you possibly the last person in the country to learn that Obama is getting nearly the entirety of the black this time around? Why is he taking the black vote away from the spouse of the First Black President? I refer readers to the South Carolina stratagem, so neatly illustrated by your message."
By "the black," I assume that you are referring to the black vote? And yes, Obama is receiving the lion's share of black votes. But there are black voters who are supporting Hillary. She retains the support of a large number of black super delegates and well as the support of a not-insignificant number of black women.
Your question, "why is he taking the black vote away from the spouse of the first black president?" is so loaded with assumptions and stereotypes that it deserves to be taken apart.
1) The votes were not Hillary's to begin with so Obama is not 'taking them away."
2) SImply because Hillary is the spouse of a president who was popular with black voters does not mean that she deserves their vote. She needed to present her case for why black voters should vote for her. She was trying to do this. For most people, Obama did it better.
3) Bill Clinton is not a person of African-American descent. You clearly misunderstand why Toni Morrison called Bill the "first black president." It was not mean as a compliment. When she gave him that label, she was describing how his behavior in the Monica Lewinsky scandal was familiar to a lot of black women; how in many African American communities a philandering, lying, refusing to accept responsibility for his mistakes, man and husband is a familiar and all too common archetype. Toni Morrison has since come out and strenuously endorsed Obama.
Finally, is Obama's South Carolina strategem the one where he told Bill Clinton to compare Obama's victory in SC to Jesse Jackson's? Is it the one where he asked Bob Johnson to hint at his past drug use? I know that you have very little use for facts when they do not support Hillary, but the facts are that Obama did not have widespread support among African Americans until A) he won in Iowa and many African Americans began to believe that he had white support and therefore could actually be a viable candidate. And B) Bill Clinton put his foot in his mouth, and Hillary invited Bob Johnson to introduce her and he completely embarrassed himself. In apologizing for his statements, Bob Johnson called Obama, "the perfect candidate."
Since perceiving that the black vote was not hers, Hillary has done nothing to try to win it. In fact, she has done everything she can to diminish the importance of the black vote, further alienating her from black voters.