Letters to the Editor
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@CJGClark re: Greg Palast's reporting
At last, one other person actually acknowledges Greg Palast. Regardless of what you think of him (crank), his reporting has exposed a lot of the Bush malfeasance. I posted the story you posted in the first or second page of this string, but nobody bit. I was beginning to think I was going crazy, like the Bible thumping psychotic onthe corner preaching the end of times. Oh well, I may still be that, but at least I have one possible compatriot. I also posted Greg's site on commondreams.org, on which this article is posted today.
peace,
st john
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Groenhagen
Which insane asylum did you get out of, or should you still be in one , sort of we train to kill and kill we will?
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@pantanal
Sorry, but you can't just call Marine Corps headquarters and find out if so and so served.
That information is given out only on an as-needed basis, e.g., a request from a legitimate employer seeking to verify a resume, and things like that.
Joe Jones can't just call and get this info.
So, to prove yourself, tell me precisely who you spoke to at Marine headquarters, not just by name and rank but which office.
(This, by the way, is no commentary on whoever claimed to serve. I just respond to bullshit when I see it, and pantanal seems to be bullshitting here.)
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Beyond the personal level, this story is most importantly about corruption
On one level, the Bush National Guard story is about Bush and the National Guard. On another, of course, it is about Rather's reputation. But on yet another it is about CBS's overwhelming desire to please the Bush White House and censor itself.
On an even higher, and most important level, this is one case where evidence and witnesses have been accumulated that demonstrate the degree to which this administration and its co-conspirators will lie, intimidate, coverup, collude, and altogether abandon any sort of ethical standards in an effort to hide the truths that reveal the true depths of their mendacity. It also exposes the effectiveness of the corruption of our media elite, and the fear and apathy in the rank and file that enables it.
This story is a poster child for why this country is no longer the United States of America that we Generation Xers were raised in, and warning to how despotism and fascism can take root in once-enlightened societies.
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Grima Groenhagen
That "You lie!" charge seems to come awfully quickly to you, therefore I dub thee Grima, after Grima Wormtongue of the Lord of the Rings. He was ultimately shown to be a liar too.
Clinton didn't go to war in October of 2000 because, you might not have noticed this, but Clinton actually largely obeyed the rules and would have had to have gone to a Republican Congress and Senate that had for the last 2 years before 2000, been accusing him of wagging the dog. It would have been pointless, and unless you didn't notice, Clinton didn't have all of those special powers Bush would get thanks to the Patriot act.
That's the truth of terrorism during Clinton's reign, Clinton tried to do something about it, but he was accused of wagging the dog. The Republicans obstructed the fight against terrorism all throughout that period, with, well, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSVYkQoFADs
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Gore shut up in the 2000 debacle...
Kerry shut up over the Swift Boat atrocity
And Rather shut up about CBS - their
enabling a really inferior human....
to be President of the United States of America.
*And they all shut up because of the squeaky wheel
which IS the right wing noise machine.
What they DO is squeak! It's their job.
*So, good.
Rather's got a chance to make it right.
Lets quit oilin' that frakkin' wheel. Huh?
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Can't spell "taliesan" without "lies"
"Clinton didn't go to war in October of 2000 because, you might not have noticed this, but Clinton actually largely obeyed the rules and would have had to have gone to a Republican Congress and Senate that had for the last 2 years before 2000, been accusing him of wagging the dog."
First, Clinton never once went to Congress to get authority to use military force, and that includes Operation Desert Fox and the war in Kosovo. In addition, Clinton did not seek congressional approval when he retaliated (albeit, ineffectively) against al Qaeda in August 1998. Why would he need congressional approval in October 2000?
Second, it is a lie to say the GOP accused Clinton of wagging the dog.
According to an August 21, 1998 Washington Post article, “President Clinton won warm support for ordering anti-terrorist bombing attacks in Afghanistan and Sudan yesterday from many of the same lawmakers who have criticized him harshly as a leader critically weakened by poor judgment and reckless behavior in the Monica S. Lewinsky scandal.”
According to the article House Speaker Newt Gingrich said, “I think the president did exactly the right thing. By doing this we're sending the signal there are no sanctuaries for terrorists."
Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott called the attacks "appropriate and just," and House Majority Leader
Richard K. Armey said "the American people stand united in the face of terrorism."
And, contrary to the Clinton’s claim that Republicans thought he was doing to much to counter al Qaeda, Sen. Orrin Hatch said, “In the past I was worried that this administration didn't take this threat seriously enough, and didn't take Osama bin Laden seriously enough; I'm going to support him, wish him well and back him up.”
Porter J. Goss, who was then chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, echoed Hatch. “If anything, this was somewhat overdue, and I'm not talking days, but months and years. This needs to be the first punch we land. We need to land more."
Unfortunately, this first punch against al Qaeda would also be the last punch that Clinton threw at al Qaeda. Instead of throwing additional punches at al Qaeda, Clinton opted to throw a few punches at Saddam Hussein in December 1998 during the preemptive attack known as Operation Desert Fox. After throwing those punches, he then decided, without congressional or UN approval, to throw punches at Slobodan Milosevic in Kosovo during the spring of 1999.
"It would have been pointless, and unless you didn't notice, Clinton didn't have all of those special powers Bush would get thanks to the Patriot act."
You don't know what you're talking about, moonbat. The Patriot Act was passed on October 26, 2001. We went after al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan beginning on October 7, 2001. Obviously, Clinton did not need a Patriot Act to go after al Qaeda.
"That's the truth of terrorism during Clinton's reign, Clinton tried to do something about it, but he was accused of wagging the dog."
I have shown that that is a lie,