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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 12:00 AM

Obama's speech on race

Responding to the "divisive turn" the campaign has taken on racial issues, the candidate calls for Americans to "come together and say, 'Not this time.'"

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Tuesday, March 18, 2008 06:51 PM

@ Uncle Fester

It is mischaracterizations such as yours that have led to this debacle of a primary, in which the Democratic Party has taken a big hit. There was a lot of anger, violence and fear when MLK was protesting and Lyndon Johnson was President. Hillary Clinton never diminished what MLK did. She just pointed out that we are a country of laws. Without a President of stature, intelligence and ability, the laws would not have supported true civil rights reform. MLK more than anyone would appreciate that, and if you think her comments were a mistake then you are in essence supporting a mindset that says you have to support fantasies in order to make people feel good about themselves. It is that failure to face reality, those lies that we tell each other in order to avoid the truth, that leads to racial misunderstandings and mistrust. We should not act like children. Adult perspective and honesty are important ingredients to racial (or any other kind of) harmony. This democratic exercise is to choose the best president we can find. It is not a game.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:09 PM

Furthermore

If you really want to be a unifying leader, you do not distort someone's comments about presidential leadership into a racial slur because it helps you to win a primary. And if someone else does it, you do not feed the frenzy with condemnations, however understated.

If Barack Obama would have spoken out at that time to defend Hillary Clinton that would have impressed me as leadership, and would have shown a meaningful understanding of the ravages of racism.

Making a speech months later when your onions are in the fire, is not leadership. It is opportunism. It spells phony to anyone who has been paying attention.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:15 PM

More LBJ

It is mischaracterizations such as yours that have led to this debacle of a primary, in which the Democratic Party has taken a big hit. There was a lot of anger, violence and fear when MLK was protesting and Lyndon Johnson was President. Hillary Clinton never diminished what MLK did. [...] you have to support fantasies in order to make people feel good about themselves.

Sorry, but I'm merely reporting the fact that people are living in fantasy worlds. That's why we have advertising. It's no more divisive than you trying to blame the Obama campaign for a mistake I believe was made by Hillary. It seems a tad more realistic than it's all somebody else's fault. Pick your poison. I'm calling them as I see them. I don't think either Obama or Hillary needs me to spin.

Try criticizing any of the founders for example, like George Washington and see what happens. Or any major sports figure. At first I agreed with you and thought what's the big deal, of course LBJ passed the civil rights act! But then I listened to the responses and I realized that something more complicated than mere history was going on. If Hillary can't deal with the existence of History intertwined with myths and fables, then she is in trouble.

Hillary was saying MLK was a dreamer while LBJ was a doer. She overlooks the politically sensitive fact that It wasn't possible for African Americans to be much of a doer in the 1960's. Then she implies that Obama is just a dreamer as well, and the country needs a doer. Some people think Obama can be a dreamer and a doer.

Personally, I like LBJ. He was an interesting dude with a lot of inner complexity, though he made a really bad call on 'Nam. Hillary does remind me of LBJ, in both good and bad ways.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:17 PM

Simply incredible

The speech is one for the ages. Just reading it moved me to tears. What joy it would be to hear the president speak without making me cringe. How long has it been since that has happened?

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:28 PM

Hillary and LBJ

Hillary does remind me of LBJ, in both good and bad ways.

Hillary took the cue from LBJ's daisy ad and the mushroom cloud. She did her own version of saving the angelic kids from more of an intruder than a 3am phone call. The irony is that one of those cherubs will be voting for Obama.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:38 PM

Bottom line

So if I interpret your analysis correctly, I guess the bottom line is that we will continue to hold on to our fantasies and the misunderstandings they create. So much for Obama's words of hope. And I thought his supporters actually believed that stuff.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:48 PM

Perchance to dream

Our dreams don't have to lead to nightmare. They can also lead to hope and joy. But to be human is to dream.

So if I interpret your analysis correctly, I guess the bottom line is that we will continue to hold on to our fantasies and the misunderstandings they create. So much for Obama's words of hope. And I thought his supporters actually believed that stuff.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 07:55 PM

That would be a nightmare

A world in which significant and realistic concerns are turned into racial slurs by hypersensitive misinterpretations sounds more like a nightmare scenario than an inspiring dream.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 08:02 PM

That is in the category of "so what"

Only in our current world that values celebrity over substance would it have any significance that some child in a bit of reusable film grows up to vote against someone who decides to use that film. In the real world, that is about as insignificant as one can get.

Tuesday, March 18, 2008 08:30 PM

No more dreams of LBJ

Well, let's be more direct then. Hillary's candidacy is as caught up in myths and fables as any other politician, if not more so. That's why they hire all the consultants, image people, pollsters, etc. To Create Reality. Unfortunately Mark Penn hasn't been able to tell a good story this time around. I can see and accept this myth making in all the campaigns, and in deed in daily life, because it's part of human nature. You only want to focus on the crap coming from the Obama camp.

which significant and realistic concerns

Unfortunately, those significant and realistic concerns were packaged in a sour tasting wrapper. Why bring up LBJ and MKL and Hillary and Obama at all? Or let some snide reporter trap you into a comparision? Obama is no MLK. That's a long way off, if ever. And Hillary is no LBJ either, in terms of Senate or Executive experience. What Hubris! And who would want to be LBJ? The guy who told the senate no Vietnam war escalation was going on while he had already issued an order for an additional 250,000 troops to be sent to war?

None of this is my fault for pointing it out. If a candidate is clumsy, they are clumsy.

I'm sure there were much better ways to show how Obama was a dreamer while Hillary was a doer without dragging LBJ and MLK into it.

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