I don't have to refute the Birthers. They are racist idiots. Let them rave and rant right through Obama's reelection in 2012.

GO OBAMA 2012 AND BEYOND!

And Happy Birthday to MY PRESIDENT. (AND WISHING YOU MANY MANY MORE).

. . . that photo just warms my heart. Happy birthday, Mr. President!

Some people still refuse to believe the Holocaust took place too. The similarity between those groups says something about the Birthers.

obama is the master of projection, for better and worse. he's admitted this in his book, I believe -- people tend to imagine what they want about me, something like that. we saw it during the campaign in the outsized hopes people attached to him, expecting nothing less than camelot revisited upon his inauguration.

we see it here with this fevered frenzy of madness from the birthers. he's been cool as cool about it and i expect he'll continue to be so. release the long form b.c.? screw you. it will not convince these people and it will only show weakness. let them bluster and froth. the laundry list of stuff these people want is totally unreasonable and intrusive. for each item he produces there will be one more they "need" to see.

forget it.

Along with these losers

George Washington

John Adams

Thomas Jefferson

James Madison

James Monroe

John Quincy Adams

William Henry Harrison

John Tyler

(America wasn't a sovereign country until 1783 and these presidents were born before that)

So these "birthers" ask us to believe that his mother traveled to Africa when she was great with child, in 1961, to have a baby in a hospital in Kenya?

A college student? How would she have traveled there? By airplane? That would have been very expensive in 1961. Where did she get the money? Or maybe she went on a cruise ship, or a raft?

And why??? Why would she go to Kenya when she was enrolled in college in Hawaii?

Put yourself in this situation.

You're living in HAWAII, and you're going to take off to Africa?

wouldn't you rather relax on the beach? Watch the surfers? Eat pineapple and hang out with all the different cultures there?

you would give all this up, and give up your child's American Citizenship with all the rights and privileges that entails, to fly off to Kenya and have a baby and come back again in time to start school in a week.

GIVE

ME

A

BREAK!!!

The Harvard Law Review is a scholarly journal, and as such, it's not locked up in any secret vault. The libraries of pretty much every law school in the country subscribe to it. Anyone with half-assed college-level research skills can find the articles President Obama published in it.

But that might take whole HOURS of actual reading and looking up things and talking to librarians.

Show the damned Birth Certificate.

A photocopy, a xerox, a negative, a microfilm - JUST RELEASE IT.

Can't do that, eh?

Have that hack Koppelman write something.

Can't even say it was lost, caught fire, or the dog ate it, can you?

One of the salient features of morons is that they are very insecure and hate to admit they were wrong. I think part of the reason so many people hold on so tight to this absurd belief is a fear of having to eat crow. The internet adds an interesting dimension because it enables them to find each other and create a critical mass of mutually-deluded morons, all making each other feel better about themselves. It's a powerful force--avoiding shame. Media networks have learned how to exploit it, and wind up fanning the flames for their own gain. When media has a stake in controversy (through increased ratings and ad dollars) and the ability to create it, a serious conflict is created that nobody seems to be talking about. Only a nation of morons could allow this to happen right underneath its own nose.

I see our stinky friend didn't read the article.

Kindly tell us how to refute, "LALALALALALA!!! HE'S A SOCIALIST AND HE WASN'T EVENT BORN HERE AND HE WANTS TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!! GO BACK TO RUSSIA YOU COMMIE!!!!!"

hey salon -- let this story die. no one cares except the people who will never accept obama's citizenship anyway. these endless rebuttals only prolong the story.

One point on "Myth 5": the Hawaiian law that allows foreign birth registrations was only enacted in 1982, while Barack Obama's birth was registered with the state on Aug. 8, 1961. Therefore on Aug. 8, 1961 and until 1982, only births within Hawaii were registered.

One point on "Myth 8": Ask Kapi'olani Medical Center how much time they waste dealing with Birthers. Now picture a long-form stating it's the birthplace. The Birthers would overload the switchboard with this nonsense. Also, how much mail does Salon.com get from Birthers? Now imagine you're either a 90-something senile obstetrican or his 90-something senile widow or if their both dead, there poor next of kin, who have deal with the Birthers day in and day out for the rest of your life because that obstetrican's name is on the long-form certificate. It's one thing to bother the White House or Bloggers who point out their mistakes, but it's another thing unleash the Birthers on a pediatric hospital and the surviving loved ones of a long dead obstetrician.

But a quick question. Is it true that in 1961, an 18-year-old American woman is too young for her child to get American citizenship if he/she is born in another country? If it's not, where did they get that from?

Please, Alex, don't forget to refer readers to your amazing post from yesterday featuring the video of Orly Taitz on MSNBC:

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2009/08/03/msnbc_taitz/index.html

Uncle Floyd should know that the woman in that video is the de facto "leader" of the "Birther Movement."

And some of its leaders wouldn't cease their quest even if they were given the original birth certificate -- along with a video showing Obama being born, lei already around his neck.

In point of fact, Orly Taitz has -said- she wouldn't believe it if she saw it. Which shows some impressive dedication to crazy. That is, the long form. I wouldn't believe he was born with a lei either, neither parent is native Hawai'ian, and I think both have to be for that to happen.

And anyhow, a video wouldn't do any good. They'd claim it was Obama's now murdered younger brother who was specifically conceived to be born in Hawai'i so they could fake him being born there, replacing this unnamed brother with the real Barack when the camera wasn't on the newborn.

Wow...it's really fun coming up with new birther theories! Do you suppose they're looking for more?