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Monday, June 15, 2009 12:00 AM

Neo-Nazis are in the Army now

Why the U.S. military is ignoring its own regulations and permitting white supremacists to join its ranks.

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Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:15 PM

Well, at Least...

... it's better than having homosexuals in the Army, right?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:30 PM

What about the bloods the crips ms13

And all the hundreds of violent non white gangs in the army? NBC ran a segment on this last year. Gang infiltration in the army is huge problem that carries with if actual organized crime and violence. But liberals confuse thought crimes with hate crimes.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:38 PM

No irony here

"I would volunteer for all the hardest missions, and they were like, 'Let Fogarty go.' They didn't want to get rid of me."

Aren't the "hardest missions" the ones where you're most likely to get killed? Because if so, then maybe they did want to . . . oh, never mind.

Then, in 1995, . . . language was added to a Department of Defense directive, explicitly prohibiting participation in "organizations that espouse supremacist causes" or "advocate the use of force or violence."

. . . like, for instance, the armed forces of every nation on earth.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:38 PM

No kidding,

I thought it was easy to find people who want to go to the other side of the world to kill brown people for empire, glory and country.

With torture, rape and murder don't Neo-Nazis fit right in? Just what kind of people do you think you can get to do our dirty work for us?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:44 PM

If that's how you feel about it

Then you should advocate never ending the wars and letting your Arab friends and mine kill each other forever.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:47 PM

Well, at least they're not gay.

Because that would just harm unit cohesion and morale. And might compromise the mission.

Smart.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:48 PM

DECISIVE ACTION NEEDED AGAINST THE RIGHT

At some point the US governement will have to plan decisive action against the radical right - now is the time: whether neo-Nazis in the army and elsewhere, KKK or cult-like right-wing Republicans- democracy is anthema to these people. Democracy must protect itself-

which in 1933 in Germany it didn't do.

Obama was a godsend - the opportunity of this president must be used vigurously to protect democracy against the right wing lunatics and religious crazies!

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:54 PM

Not to Worry

"Rider".you're kidding of course. Anyway,I remember back in da 'Nam, being shocked by the chaplain using the term "gooks".All kinds of racism were present there.It was difficult to have an interracial friendships.I don't want to scare anyone but the military breeds simplification and depersonalization and thereby racism,ethnocentrism,homophobia,etc.. Most of us were at least tolerant of one another in Viet Nam.I served with gays,and every sort of ethnic,regional and religious type. Actually it was very educational,moreso than college.The only people we didn't tolerate we the unhygenic,narks and jerks.I suppose that all the klanners and the black power advocates just went home like the rest of us,no training camps for the revolution or any of that.Let's face it,the bulk of these white power sociopaths are only capable of chickenshit violence.They could never face down the true professional soldiers or police officers in any imagined revolution.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 06:59 PM

Wouldn't this be an issue of treason?

If soldiers are participating in groups that advocate force to overthrow the US government, how the hell is this not a problem?

And yeah - I second everyone else with the heavy sarcasm. Thank God we make sure we get all the gays out. Idiots.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 07:01 PM

I would point how illiberal you sound

Your own Greenwald fought for the right of neo Nazis to be completely legitimately accepted into public and civic duty. What is materially different between these guys and Matt Hale who your Greenwald defended against charges he was unfit for the Illinois bar because he's a Nazi?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 07:11 PM

"But again, if the gentlemen said, 'I like the way the swastika looked'"

I'm pretty sure no real gentleman would ever say anything like that. One can but hope.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 07:19 PM

to echo NRI

That year, language was added to a Department of Defense directive, explicitly prohibiting participation in "organizations that espouse supremacist causes" or "advocate the use of force or violence."

So being in the military would rule one unfit to... be in the military.

Is this akin to the idea that the only people who'd be willing to be politicians are unfit to rule?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 07:36 PM

Teflon shield against criticism

The worst part about this is the fact that in the minds of many on the right, ANY criticism of the military is unacceptable. So don't count on the Pentagon or anyone in congress lifting a finger to fix this anytime soon. The moment anyone does, count on Rush and co. to spew off about how those ungrateful elites in Washington are attacking our troops! As long as we are over there, there will be no incentive to crack down.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 07:42 PM

WTF? Why do you subject us to that picture?

OK, Salon, you can add James Douglas Ross to the list of people whose picture I NEVER, EVER WANT TO SEE AGAIN IN MY LIFE.

He joins Osama bin Laden and Mohammad Atta as one of the ugliest men on the planet who I never want to look upon again.

Please take his face off your main page by tomorrow morning.

It's shocking that the Army is not weeding out and dishonorably discharging these freaks. Another poster mentioned that the military also has a huge non-white gang problem also. But that doesn't make this tolerable. The Pentagon needs to get rid of all gang members of all races, but if it had a program to specifically root out skinheads first, that's fine by me.

Sunday, June 14, 2009 07:56 PM

What happened to all the concerns about "unit cohesion?"

Isn't that the reason gays aren't allowed in the military? How well do we expect black soldiers to "cohere" with white supremacist troops?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 08:05 PM

OH MY GOD!

White Racists in the military? I would never have thought that! Who knew? The Iraq War is racist? But Bush/Cheney and Fox News told me that it was fought to liberate them?

Sunday, June 14, 2009 08:17 PM

Love the Picture on the Front Page...

...classic example of the typical racist skinhead: bald, offensive in desperately unsuccessful sort of way, and suspiciously dark skinned. As a friend once told the folks on New Saxon (right before they banned him for "racism against fellow whites"): "You shave your heads to hide the shame of being fucking Wops!"

Sunday, June 14, 2009 08:25 PM

No big surpise

This is certainly no big surprise to me as there were plenty of neo-nazis in the Navy while I was on active duty from 1973 to 1977. I must also point out that Tim McVeigh was an honorably discharged US Army vet. Those with racist attitudes will have them reinforced in the military and will be able to network with their philosophical brethren. Consequently it is quite alarming so many active duty servicemen and women and veterans have a superiority attitude toward those who have a liberal view of democracy. These men and women have no idea as to the true nature of a democracy and are simply jingoists who have a very warped view of the US, one that is Fundamentalist and white.

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