According the John "Juan" Cole and Glenn Greenwald, the holocaust was at worst, an opinion about something that probably happened. This is standard Salon doctrine.

[Steele the First] he's just a garden-variety Jew hater

Unlike something stinks, who's much more accomplished with his jew hatred.

Thank you for your response to Steele the First. There are legitimate criticisms to be made of Israeli policy and the behavior of some fundamentalist Jews; however, based on Steele's previous letters, it seems he's just a garden-variety Jew hater.

"As for Holocaust denial, if you state that not only Jews were victims of the Holocaust, that qualifies you as being a Holocaust denier and a Jew-Hater to boot."

No, it doesn't.

Nobody who knows the facts denies the systematic murder of gypsies, communists, homosexuals, political prisoners, POWs and Jews by the Nazis during WW2. Jews were simply the most numerous and probably the most hated.

"How many Japanese died in WW II?

Nobody cares.

We only care about one number and one people."

No, that's not true.

"February 13th - anniversary of the firebombinb of the city of Dresden and the incineration of most of it's population.

Bet you don't know how many of them died either. Bet you don't care."

You're wrong. I know and I care. Even though the number killed at Dresden is but a tiny fraction of those murdered at Auschwitz.

"We won WW II because we were much better and efficient at murdering civilian populations than our enemies were."

No, we didn't. That's simply not true.

The Allies won WW2 for a whole bunch of reasons. The Axis killed far more civilians than the Allies did, and with far less reason.

How many citizens of the USSR died in WW2, killed by the Axis powers? How many Chinese, Vietnamese, Burmese, Malayans, Filipinos and other civilians did the Japanese kill?

Most of all:

WHO STARTED THE WAR?

Germany under the 3rd Reich wanted to take over much of the world. The Japanese Empire wanted to do a similar thing in Asia and the Pacific, and almost succeeded, too. The Axis almost succeeded; had they been just a little bit smarter they might have pulled it off.

GERMANY STARTED WW2 IN EUROPE.

JAPAN STARTED WW2 IN THE PACIFIC AND ASIA

IT'S THEIR FAULT. THEY WERE THE BAD GUYS.

Those are the plain and simple facts.

The "final solution" was simple: the Nazis, from the top down, decided to systematically kidnap, abuse, torture, rob and murder every single Jew they could get their paws on. Not because of anything they did, nor because they were "the enemy" in any political or military way.

The Nazis decided to kidnap, abuse, torture, rob and murder every single Jew they could get their paws on simply because they *were* Jews - as defined by the Nazis themselves. They were kidnapped, abused, tortured, robbed and murdered because of who and what they were, nothing more.

Had the Nazis not been stopped, they would have wiped out every Jew in the world. And lots of other folks the Nazis defined as "inferior". And they would have done it with the same precision and enthusiasm they used against those they murdered.

The Nazis didn't do this mass murder in order to win the war. In fact, the resources they spent doing it that were badly needed elsewhere were a factor in their losing the war. They did it for ideological reasons only. Same for the Japanese, busily murdering the Chinese and others for daring to oppose their divinely ordered Empire. Or for simply being in the way. (It is estimated that the Japanese military murdered about 250,000 Chinese civilians as reprisal for the Doolittle raid of April 1942. And that was just one small bombing raid. The Japanese just didn't bother to build death camps.)

Before WW2, Germany was considered to be a highly civilized nation. Educated, cultured, a leader in science, philosophy, the arts and much more. In many fields of science and engineering you had to know how to read German in order to participate because the important books and papers were written in that language. Japan was a rapidly modernizing nation with a highly developed culture as well.

Many Americans in the 1930s admired Germany and were proud of any German heritage they could trace. Their were bunds all over the USA then. More than a few Americans thought the USA could learn a few things from the Germans.

The idea that such a country could go on a murder spree that lasted years, killed tens of millions and lay waste to Europe was and is hard to accept, but it happened.

The Allies didn't start the war. They simply finished it.

Make no mistake - mainstream Catholics like myself think Williamson et al. is a nutjob and disgrace to he religion. The Vatican has issued him an ultimatum with a promise to drop him should he continue to deny the Holocaust. The Vatican DOES NOT support this guy. I've seen many posters note the Vatican's tolerance of this kind of thinking. Clearly, that's not the case.

"Now, here's a question. Who described the Holocaust as "The Zionist fantasy, the fantastic lie that six million Jews were killed"?"

How about denying that Palestinians are a people, that it was their land, and that they have a right to live in peace?

Oh right, how foolish of me, they are not even human beings to you.

Nevermind.

Meanwhile, the Germans have their homeland. Time to kill more Palestinians, don't let me interfere with your entertainments and dogma.

"THIS is hate. THIS is religious bigotry. THIS is modern-day Judaism."

No it isn't. That is a national and cultural phenomena it doesn't happen in America or anywhere else yet you attribute it to the entire religion. That is religious bigotry and prejudice. Bad behavior by individuals of each of the three major religions derived from the Hebrew religion is not justification for condemning the rest of those who had the misfortune to be born into a Abrahamic/Mosiac religion as the majority manage to be decent and good human beings despite the negative programming because the positive programming of these religions is demonstrable in practice and reenforces good behavior leaving the bad behavior to the mentally ill and those who are just evil.

Your error is offensive and you know it. Please adjust your programming. You piss on whatever argument you make so what is your point?