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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:00 AM

"I will not travel to Auschwitz"

Catholic bishop Richard Williamson says he is willing to "review the historical evidence" about whether the Holocaust occurred, but rejects the suggestion that he visit a concentration camp.

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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 02:48 PM

@Xranadu

Few Holocaust deniers claim that nobody was killed, they almost universally make the same claim: the numbers are exaggerated, and they challenge the methods.

Which is what this guy is doing as well. That is why people are labeling him a "denier".

The evidence has been presented, and is available for everyone to see. The fact that Williamson cites the Leuchter report speaks volumes. The Leuchter report was written by a self-styled "execution engineer", and was so fundamentally flawed as to be laughable. Nobody ever took it seriously except people who wanted to believe in it--not even the lab who performed the tests for Leuchter himself. They testified against him and his findings at Zundel's trial.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 02:58 PM

Consider the possibitlity that Williamson is right ....

@paulsd7

There is no gas chamber at Dachau, there is a shower room. You can read the USHMM page on Dachau, no one was gassed there. It is a complete hoax. No one now claims that anyone was gassed in Germany proper, only in camps in Poland. Sorry.

@Lou

Eisenhower did not visit any death camps. When the Soviets approached Auschwitz the prisoners, including E. Weisel and A. Frank, were transferred east. Overcrowding, disease, lack of supplies resulted in a tyhpus epidemic that killed 35,000 at Belsen alone. These are the pictures you have seen. The Nazis did all they could to prevent the catastrophe. Incidentally, a similar situation prevailed at Andersonville at the end of the US civil war.

@GLohman

Gas chamber doors made of wood that do not seal are not a detail, they are an absurdity. There are only two 'gas chambers' still standing and they are obvious frauds. That is not at detail, that means that the people promoting the holocaust are complete frauds.

The Nazis were meticulous record keepers. What happened to the records. The Soviets got the Auschwitz records and hid them for 40 years. The Nazis wrote death certificates for every prisoner that died and summarized the results in Death Books. You can google a report by the Auschwtiz museum on the books. More Roman Catholics died at Auschwitz than Jews. These are the documented facts.

The documents captured by the US/Brits, some 60 million, are still be kept secret in the Bad Arolsen archive. You can google it.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:01 PM

Ah, the old shower trick!

There is no gas chamber at Dachau, there is a shower room. You can read the USHMM page on Dachau, no one was gassed there. It is a complete hoax. No one now claims that anyone was gassed in Germany proper, only in camps in Poland. Sorry.

I know, the door to the gas chamber in Dachau says "Showers". That was because putting the words "Gas Chamber" on the door made victims reluctant to enter. Dunno what their problem was.

It's interesting to see that the label still continues to fool people.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:02 PM

Highly recommend Wikipedia's pages on the Leuchter report ....

much of the "details" Hutmann wants to see is there including why these people are called "deniers" ... rather than, day, revisionists ... hey, I learned something ...

Put plainly, the Leuchter report is garbage, in large part undone by Leuchter's own testimony and the multiple aurthoritative sources he admitted he simply ignored... oh, and his "scientific chemical analysis" was garbage too, utilizing unrecognized seat-of-the-pants methodology incapable of "proving" anything.

Sounds to me like Williamson has numerous bones to pick and will not go quietly ... he's an embarrassment... and he is making the current pope look more than simply "fallable" ... he looks foolish, sentimental, old and very out of touch.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:02 PM

Oh, one other thing, saggy

You haven't explained how or why these showers in Dachau became known as gas chambers. Who was responsible for this amazing deception? Please provide details. I think you'll find them in Chapter 13 of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:04 PM

I never believed in progressives in the catholic church

I was raised by nuns who were pretty much of the Williamson school. The Jews had killed Christ and they deserved what they got, and such crap, was what we heard every day. Gas chambers? Communist propaganda.

Since then Williamson's extremist community has been excommunicated, but I always thought (knew, actually) it would be temporary. One pope after the other made announcements and declarations, but they are just words. They never delivered. Thousands of men could become perfect priests if only they could marry, but all those «progressive» popes have held steadfastly to the diktat «no marriage for priests». They still do not permit contraception, and their only answer to AIDS is abstention.

You might believe the Catholic church wants to be ecumenical: but their view of ecumenism is that everybody becomes a Catholic. You might believe they are open to change. But in the end, Catholics have to toe the line. Always. And the line does not change. In the end Williamson might say what is expected of him. He won't change his mind - I'm almost sure. They never do, really.

All this is not only tragic, it is the real SIN, and Williamson is only the tip of the iceberg.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:07 PM

The door shown was to a fumigation room, not the shower, this is well known...

When Dachau was captured, photos taken of a fumigation room door containing the words DANGER, DO NOT ENTER, POISON GAS, where broadcast all over the US as the door to shower.

Did you know that famous Hollywood director Billy Wilder, complete with beret, was on the set at Buchenwald only a few days after it was captured. He made a movie showing shrunken heads, lampshades made from human skin, soap made from human fat, that was shown at Nuremberg and world wide. The movie was a complete hoax. You can now read the account of Buchenwald at the USHMM web site, no mention of shrunken heads, etc. No scholar now believes a word of this. A hoax.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:08 PM

OR AS I PREFER TO REFER TO IT............

"I will not travel to Auschwitz"

Or as I prefer to refer to it -- Neverland.

Where the God Who wasn't there, isn't.

I am all the putatively living proof you need.

But then again, the Holocaust doesn't believe in me, either.

Tick..tick...tick

-gala1

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:08 PM

Yes saggy

Fixating on the material of the doors of one room used for one method execution at one camp is pretty much the definition of a detail, man. The Nazis killed LOTS of people through LOTS of methods. Trying to convince me that this particular gas chamber was poorly engineered doesn't undo the holocaust, or even the Auschwitz death toll.

Or christ, even the death toll of this chamber. I don't even have a clue how you think the material of the doors matters, you don't need an airtight room. We freaking kill people by dropping KNC in a freaking bucket of acid, its not freaking rocket science. The airtight nature of our gas chambers is to protect the witnesses, duh. Killing things with cyanide is pretty easy. A local concentration of 0.3% in air will kill someone in a minute. You don't need to be airtight to get to 0.3% real damn fast.

But I'm serious, you doubt the lethality of HCN? You don't need a sealed room, you can try it at home. carry out my KCN/acetic acid experiment in your kitchen. I'll even let you leave the windows open, as long as you hang out by the bucket.

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