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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:00 AM

"I will not travel to Auschwitz"

Catholic bishop Richard Williamson says he is willing to "review the historical evidence" about whether the Holocaust occurred, but rejects the suggestion that he visit a concentration camp.

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Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:20 PM

The Bad Arolsen archives ....

@GLohman

We do not know how many died. The records show that the number that died at Auschwitz is on the order of 100,000, the Museum has the records, you can google the summary.

However, the records that would tell us how many died in the camps captured by the US/Brits HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET since the end of the war.

The six million figure is pure phantasmagoria.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:19 PM

Hutman

Really, are you that blind? Stinks isn't having a legit disagreement, he's making up strawman arguments and lying about what people say, just like he does with every one of his tinfoil hat conspiracy theories.

Every one of Saggy's lies have been debunked in detail, but he persists with them.

These guys are not honest brokers with a legitimate dispute, they're congenital liars who ignore all evidence that doesn't fit their predefined reality, and this is not the first time it has come up. See this letters section from the previous article for proof: http://letters.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/01/29/antisemitism/view/?show=all

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:16 PM

THough I do agree about Dachau

Not an extermination camp. People lived in horrible conditions, died in droves from disease, neglect, starvation, abuse and so forth. People were shot, tortured, treated like animals. And it was pretty fucking awful. But Shaggy's right, no organized mass factory style executions happened at Dachau.

But so, so many people there died, all as a direct result of the Nazi policies towards the Jews and others. Its not clear to me why it matters that there wasn't an assembly line of death here, once again, the people are still dead.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:16 PM

Jewish Eyewitnesses .....

John Demjanjuk was extradited from the US and tried as "Ivan the Terrible" of Treblinka. He was identified by five Jewish eyewitnesses as Ivan. He was convicted and sentenced to death. As it turned out, fraudulent documents were used to extradite Demjanjuk, and after the involvement of several US politicians, he was freed. He had never set foot in Treblinka. Google it. The Jewish eyewitnesses were degenerate liars.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:12 PM

The First Holocaust ....

"The First Holocaust - Jewish Fundraising Campaigns With Holocaust Claims During World War One" by Don Heddesheimer is fully documented with reprints of articles from the NYT and Jewish press published during WW ONE. The Jews were claiming that the Nazis killed six million during WW I. Read the reviews on Amazon.com

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:08 PM

Yes saggy

Fixating on the material of the doors of one room used for one method execution at one camp is pretty much the definition of a detail, man. The Nazis killed LOTS of people through LOTS of methods. Trying to convince me that this particular gas chamber was poorly engineered doesn't undo the holocaust, or even the Auschwitz death toll.

Or christ, even the death toll of this chamber. I don't even have a clue how you think the material of the doors matters, you don't need an airtight room. We freaking kill people by dropping KNC in a freaking bucket of acid, its not freaking rocket science. The airtight nature of our gas chambers is to protect the witnesses, duh. Killing things with cyanide is pretty easy. A local concentration of 0.3% in air will kill someone in a minute. You don't need to be airtight to get to 0.3% real damn fast.

But I'm serious, you doubt the lethality of HCN? You don't need a sealed room, you can try it at home. carry out my KCN/acetic acid experiment in your kitchen. I'll even let you leave the windows open, as long as you hang out by the bucket.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:08 PM

OR AS I PREFER TO REFER TO IT............

"I will not travel to Auschwitz"

Or as I prefer to refer to it -- Neverland.

Where the God Who wasn't there, isn't.

I am all the putatively living proof you need.

But then again, the Holocaust doesn't believe in me, either.

Tick..tick...tick

-gala1

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:07 PM

The door shown was to a fumigation room, not the shower, this is well known...

When Dachau was captured, photos taken of a fumigation room door containing the words DANGER, DO NOT ENTER, POISON GAS, where broadcast all over the US as the door to shower.

Did you know that famous Hollywood director Billy Wilder, complete with beret, was on the set at Buchenwald only a few days after it was captured. He made a movie showing shrunken heads, lampshades made from human skin, soap made from human fat, that was shown at Nuremberg and world wide. The movie was a complete hoax. You can now read the account of Buchenwald at the USHMM web site, no mention of shrunken heads, etc. No scholar now believes a word of this. A hoax.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:04 PM

I never believed in progressives in the catholic church

I was raised by nuns who were pretty much of the Williamson school. The Jews had killed Christ and they deserved what they got, and such crap, was what we heard every day. Gas chambers? Communist propaganda.

Since then Williamson's extremist community has been excommunicated, but I always thought (knew, actually) it would be temporary. One pope after the other made announcements and declarations, but they are just words. They never delivered. Thousands of men could become perfect priests if only they could marry, but all those «progressive» popes have held steadfastly to the diktat «no marriage for priests». They still do not permit contraception, and their only answer to AIDS is abstention.

You might believe the Catholic church wants to be ecumenical: but their view of ecumenism is that everybody becomes a Catholic. You might believe they are open to change. But in the end, Catholics have to toe the line. Always. And the line does not change. In the end Williamson might say what is expected of him. He won't change his mind - I'm almost sure. They never do, really.

All this is not only tragic, it is the real SIN, and Williamson is only the tip of the iceberg.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:02 PM

Oh, one other thing, saggy

You haven't explained how or why these showers in Dachau became known as gas chambers. Who was responsible for this amazing deception? Please provide details. I think you'll find them in Chapter 13 of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009 03:02 PM

Highly recommend Wikipedia's pages on the Leuchter report ....

much of the "details" Hutmann wants to see is there including why these people are called "deniers" ... rather than, day, revisionists ... hey, I learned something ...

Put plainly, the Leuchter report is garbage, in large part undone by Leuchter's own testimony and the multiple aurthoritative sources he admitted he simply ignored... oh, and his "scientific chemical analysis" was garbage too, utilizing unrecognized seat-of-the-pants methodology incapable of "proving" anything.

Sounds to me like Williamson has numerous bones to pick and will not go quietly ... he's an embarrassment... and he is making the current pope look more than simply "fallable" ... he looks foolish, sentimental, old and very out of touch.

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