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Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:00 AM

W. and the damage done

President Bush inherited a peaceful, prosperous America. As he exits, Salon consults experts in seven fields to try to assess the devastation.

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Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:34 AM

@JoJoGunne

"for six of the last eight years. House, Senate and White House. They had the White House for eight of the last eight. They had Congress for six of Clintons' eight. We're at the end of a Republican Era that started with Ronnie in 80. And here we are back to 1930. And they're trying to blame it all on Barney Frank and Nancy Pelosi. Good luck with that."

We covered this above. Democrats controlled the Senate during most of 2001 and all of 2002, including when the Senate authorized force against Saddam. Apparently, Tom Daschle was such an insignifant player that liberals have forgotten that he was Majority Leader.

BTW, read up on Linda Daschle's role in stopping improvements in airline security.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:38 AM

@ Groenhagen

You might be too old to fight, but you're not too old to freelance torture. As you do it, stroke a crucifix with your bloody fingers and say, "I torture for you, Jesus! I'll get some special Prince of Peace cuddin' time for this, won't I?"

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:41 AM

Hara kiri

I don't suggest that Bush embrace his sword in atonement for the damage he has done to our country. Maybe some day a moment of blazing insight will bring him to his knees begging God for forgiveness. I just hope the American people don't give it to him.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:42 AM

Groanhagen Democrats never controlled anything under Dubya

They rubber stamped his policies as the vote to authorise force proves. Clinton was basically a Liberal Republican for his second term. We're at the end of a Republican Era and we're in a mess - deal with it.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:51 AM

1,000,000 Iraqis killed doesn't count?

So the deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan that the Bush administration is directly responsible for don't count? Not to mention the countless victims of Israel –who are given billions in military aid to terrorize the Lebanese and their prisoners, ahem, subjects the Palestinians with F16s, phosphorous, and Apache helicopters? What about the ultimate cost of creating chaos in this part of the world?

I think destroying Iraq's infrastructure and mass murder is a more grievous crime than neglecting US highways for example.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:53 AM

How many years between Hoover and Eisenhower?

Was it sixteen? Course Ike really wasn't a Republican. Didn't get a real Repub until Nixon. May be that long till we get the next Repub.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 11:55 AM

The Bloviation of a Cement-headed Ideologue

Could it be that Carmina is Ann Coulter's pseudonym? The rhetoric is the regurgitation of the same fantasies, nightmares, illusions, canards, and myths wrapped in feigned self righteousness.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:02 PM

@ bigguns

"Just as too few want to talk about how there

are too many of us, too few want to talk about

reducing our war department spending."

Right on, Bro. Exactly right and well said.

(As for big guns, I was on 105s. But they's jest little baby guns.)

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:07 PM

@ DoctorGreeves

We'll reduce our horde of weapons or runaway defense spending with the consequent national debt will reduce it, as the Soviet Empire was reduced by its love of weapons and wars.

As a nation, we love bombs more than schoolbooks.

I refuse to call the War Department the Defense Department. When it renamed itself, it should have called itself the Imperialism Department.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:10 PM

@ dikaslogos

I was feeling nauseous a couple weeks ago and I knew that if I vomited, I'd feel better. I just said "Coulter" two times and presto, puke! But never say it three times or a baby angel will lose its wings...or so they say.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:11 PM

DoctorGreeves and 105s

I was on 155s and an 8 inch for a while. Viet Nam 68-69. Course we trained on the 105s at Fort Sill. Yep, they're just pea shooters. Hate to be on the receiving end tho.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:12 PM

Reproductive Health

Mainstream media continues to ignore the fact that the Bush admin has reclassified 'birth control' as 'abortion'. I recall a Dan Froomkin MSNBC interview in which the topic was Bush's last minute surprises/legacies - there was no mention of this issue.

Info:

plannedparenthood.com

rhrealitycheck.org

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:17 PM

Feel better now?

Why on the eve of Obama's inauguration are so many fixated on Bush? It must be true that the emotional rush from anger is more satisfying than that from joy.

Free clue: When you rant like this about Bush, you sound just as hateful and irrational as the Republicans who ranted about Clinton.

moveon.org indeed.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:28 PM

WylieD - the Clinton haters hated him because he won

The Dubya haters hate him because he has pretty nearly destroyed the world. Not the same.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:28 PM

abdication of the right

The single most damning legacy of the new right as practiced by the Bush administration is the abandonment of analysis and discourse in favor of political ideology. By subverting rational thought processes in favor of wishful thinking, by abandoning scientific data, by ignoring academic experts who spent lifetimes studying specific areas, by promoting political goals over the well being of the country, the new right has failed this nation at every level. Whether we are talking about foreign relations, intelligence, economics, or civil liberties, the Bush administration has pursued goals based on purely political stances that had no real basis in fact. Every expose written about the white house by republican insiders essentially tell the same story. A complete lack of analytical thought, no dissent, and no real intellectual engagement by the President. There is no substitute for stupidity.

I pity the right wing faithful who are still arguing about Clinton and the "dress" and cannot see how this administration has abandoned their own principles and destroyed the nation.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:30 PM

@ Feel Better Now

Surely, there is amply anger and justifiable so. To equate the Clinton Administration to that of W. Bush is preposterous. The emotion is anger. Intellectually it is regret.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:31 PM

Clinton vs Bush.

Clinton didn't cause the havoc that Bush(and Cheney gang) have done.

There is nothing irrational about despising Bush and his legacy.

The Clinton ranters seem to think having an affair was the worst thing a president could do.

I'd say look at the country now.

Bush and Cheney are setting off to fish and play golf. The rest of the country is treading water, hoping it will stop raining sometime soon.

Thursday, January 8, 2009 12:41 PM

@groland

"I pity the right wing faithful who are still arguing about Clinton and the "dress" and cannot see how this administration has abandoned their own principles and destroyed the nation."

I don't know if any conservatives here have mentioned the dress. The topic of Lewinsky is usually broached by Clinton supporters, most often in the context of "When Clinton lied, no one died."

Of course, if it was a lie to say that Saddam had WMD, then people did die when Clinton lied. As the UN FAO reported, 567,000 Iraqi children died as a result of sanctions. Of course, Clinton maintained sanctions on Iraq because he said Saddam had WMD. Note that Madeleine Albright did not dispute that number:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4&feature=channel_page

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