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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Well, why don't you get that tattoed on your body somewhere ... so that when the crunch comes we know not to let YOU into the environmental refugee camps.
Camps I'm sure you'd like to set up.
Mine even gets horrible gas mileage by SUV standards. 15 mph would be a godsend, and it's not easy to get in and out of
So you couldn't find one that does better? Or is it more satisfying to piss off other people than to save yourself money and convenience?
No, I couldn't find a SUV that's gets better gas mileage than the one I have, that's meets my needs.
Exactly, how many SUVs have locking center differentials? Do you even know what that means? I seriously doubt it.
You've never been off-road, you have no idea about the vehicular requirements needed to traverse anything above class 3.
My 30 mile my daily commute not only doesn't warrant buying another car, I sold my truck that got 25 mph, even with it being paid off, because the $100 in insurance more than ate up any gas savings
WHO's the asshole?
Wait, I'm supposed to buy or keep a car, LOSING MONEY DOING SO? Is that really your argument?
Some asshole environmentalist even keyed my car once.
How do you know it was an environmentalist? Maybe it was someone who just hates YOU. It's not that hard to believe.
Oh, it was an "environmentalist" like you. Someone who is too short-sighted and petty to actually know anything.
Oh, BTW, I'm sure they do hate me, same as you, because they see SUV and see hate, because they are petty.
As I wrote, none of you complain when you're stuck in the snow and I have to come rescue you.
What a dickhead.-- Morgaine16
Pretty much describes you, very true.
This article was pretty light, but it does raise a more interesting question that most of us face every day:
* How do we decide where we draw the line between comfort/convenience and environmental values?
We all make choices for ourselves - if you're reading this article it's probably because you're someone who considers the environmental impact of your actions along with other considerations of cost, convenience, etc.
Mark writes about redrawing his line for more comfort, with a subtext of what's the reality vs. perception of making transportation choices.
This could be a deep topic... very few of us are living in a cobb house, powered by solar, watered with captured rainfall and 100% fed from our organic garden. How do we decide which tradeoffs to make with our lives?
in drag to look a real SUV, which is based on truck components.
seriously, though, minivans make a lot more sense. so you have a lot of crap to carry sometimes; so does the UPS delivery or the electrician and i don't see them driving up in an Explorer.
...I have to have two kids. And those kids have to be hauled about in a road-laden non-rural area. And I have to have the status of a sleek-looking SUV... See, I just _have_ to... What? You mean, I'm really a hypocrite--and one who makes money with an article about being one? Oh. Never mind...:P
I must admit, I have never tried to take 500 pounds down Forest Service roads. I have, however, taken 300 pounds through the Siuslaw National Forest in the Coast Range of Oregon BY BIKE. I guess to take the full 500 pounds I would either have to get a partner or take two trips.
It just amazes me how weak our culture has gotten. IMHO we really should stop driving ourselves to extinction; it is so unnecessary.
"Camps I'm sure you'd like to set up."
No, mate, camps like the ones that already exist ... for people like those in New Orleans and the Gulf States; for the Tuvalese who are having to move 75,000 people a year off their islands (where they've lived for several 1000 years) because of rising sea levels); for all of the people in the developing world who can't afford to build jetties and ruin the ecosystem for future generations like selfish US Americans.
"You've never been off-road, you have no idea about the vehicular requirements needed to traverse anything above class 3"
I've been offroad many, many times. I drive an AWD. If you took time to actually read before spouting off, you'd discover that I've lived a rural lifestyle all my life and have made plenty of compromises.
"Wait, I'm supposed to buy or keep a car, LOSING MONEY DOING SO? Is that really your argument?"
OK, well you remember than when your house floods or is destroyed by the ever increasingly strong storms and you lose EVERYTHING ... wow, how economical WAS your (and everyone else like you) choice?
"Oh, it was an "environmentalist" like you. Someone who is too short-sighted and petty to actually know anything."
How do you know? Did you MEET them?
Mate, I've been working in this field for 20-plus years as an educator and an activist. Believe me, I'm neither short-sighted nor petty. I'm honest. Are you?
"As I wrote, none of you complain when you're stuck in the snow and I have to come rescue you"
Not me, mate. I have a AWD. I can rescue myself. Plus I'm in the Southern hemisphere. We'll see how much good that SUV does you when the Greenland ice sheet slides off into the North Atlantic Current.
Because I've knapped my own arrowheads, hunted my own food (with my own hand made bow), grown my own crops, and you all have too as well!!!!!
I must admit, I have never tried to take 500 pounds down Forest Service roads. I have, however, taken 300 pounds through the Siuslaw National Forest in the Coast Range of Oregon BY BIKE. I guess to take the full 500 pounds I would either have to get a partner or take two trips.
Paved roads on a bike hauling gear, is only an issue when there's an incline.
Forest service roads are often class 3, and nobody can ride a bike up a class 5 hauling any type of gear (if at all)
It just amazes me how weak our culture has gotten. IMHO we really should stop driving ourselves to extinction; it is so unnecessary.
-- human power
Yes, we are all weak. You don't buy your food that someone else has grown. *Roll Eyes*
The oddest thing about this new breed of "environmentalist" is that most of you would die within weeks if you actually had to really live off the land.
Sorry, but having exclusively to hunt and grow your own food SUCKS.
Most of you act like you want to live as cavemen, and it's an existence you know nothing about and would never be able to survive.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
