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that brings up another piece of SUV weirdness; net weight payload capacity. not well documented in general, you have to subtract the actual weight of the vehicle from the GVW to get the max payload weight. and you find that a BMW x5 4.8, for instance, is rated at a net payload of 1200 lbs, even though it claims to seat 7. so, in fact, even with 6 medium large men aboard, you are at the manufacturer's rated limit; and if half a dozen middle management types were sent from company HQ to regional office for a meeting and decided to take this vehicle because they need the "capacity", they better not bring any luggage.