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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Your argument makes no sense at all. I can only try to find a logical beginning to it.
You believe bankruptcy will lead to a sale to a Saudi or Chinese company. Do you really think that with 300 million households in the US that there’s not a market for a domestic automaker? Do you really think that bankruptcy would lead all domestic investors to say, “aww, screw em.” Didn’t Chrysler just get bought back from the Germans by Cerberus after a failed foreign merger? Isn’t Tesla turning heads with their all-electric cars? There are investors who are chomping at the bit for the Big Three to go bankrupt so they can buy them up - without the UAW contracts - and make them better car companies.
When you brought up Cheney I almost stopped readng. Oh! He's so evil! Oh! He's the Great Satan! Oh! He can single-handedly control the world! Please. Cheney is arguably the most powerful Vice-President in US history, but that does not make him the scapegoat for all that is wrong with the county. If Bush-Cheney had any real power left, wouldn’t McCain-Palin have won?
Who are you going to blame after January 20?
And one other comment to your non-sensical rant: yes - sell NASA to a hedge fund. Privatize space exploration. The government shouldn’t be in the business of bailing out private enterprise any more than it should be supporting NASA, Amtrak, the airlines or the freight railroads!
Unions are one of the reasons US car makers are in such dire straits. The workers are overpaid and build products that of poor quality. Unions keep poor performers on the line who don't have to worry about getting fired because the Union will raise such a stink it isn't worth the trouble. Unions have outlived there usefullness and exist in to support corrupt union bosses and to hold manufacturers and other industries hostage. Unions are also cash cows for Democratic politicians. Perhaps if the workers in the UAW wake up they will realize that they are going to lose the their jobs partially due to Union policies. And yes the board of directors and the CEOs also have much to answer for. Since they build gas guzzlers, that are overpriced and hardly worth the money. None of the so called foreign car manufacturers are asking to be bailed out. I wonder why
Poster Seal76's post is a pure example of preconceived, cliche baloney. And Poster Seal obviously has not read ANY of the posts in Salon over the past month.
There you are, ladies and gentlemen: If you want to read the basic, simple-minded, decades-out-of-date, utterly-mistaken, don't-confuse-me-with-the-facts, Neo-Con-victim position, take a look at poor Seal's post.
Poor Seal, please read some of the stuff we have written here on Salon over the past month, and give it some thought.
"None of the so called foreign car manufacturers are asking to be bailed out. I wonder why"
They're foreign. They go to their own countries for things like that.
Unions are one of the reasons US car makers are in such dire straits.
Obviously untrue, since they were making billions before the banksters crashed the economy.
None of the so called foreign car manufacturers are asking to be bailed out.
They're subsidized. They've been bailed out in advance.
Your lying propaganda isn't fooling anybody but other fools, wingnut.
Congressional Republicans didn't vote against the car bill on grounds that production line workers make too much money. If their motive is to break the auto workers union, they are wasting their time. The union is already busted; no Congressional coercion is needed to have it go along with another round of wage cuts.
The real motive of the Republicans is to have a way to blame the unions for the US economic catastrophe, which we know to have been caused by their deregulation and intentional lack of oversight of the banking industry.
As always, Republicans need scapegoats for their own horrific failures and to cover up your greed: even as this is being written, Republicans are in the process of stealing $2 trillion outright, and this "controversy" is the smokescreen for it.
We've crunched the numbers and run the scenarios, and we know of others who have done the same. All come to the same conclusions: as futile as a bailout would be, no bailout at all would accelerate and deepen the coming economic depression, and severely demoralize the nation besides. As if you sadists haven't kicked it in the teeth enough already.
You neocons have done a proper job of sending the US down in flames this time. Why do you hate America so much?
You Republicans have robbed and murdered America. It's no secret that you've have no use for the US except as a corpse to bleed of its wealth and a staging ground for robbing other countries.
That's what the facts say. And we know that's what wealthy right-wingers laugh about behind closed doors.
Much of the success of the Repuglicans is their ability to say to your face they have your best interests at heart, while suppressing their own laughter. Law and order and family values come to mind but RIGHT TO WORK -- cmon! This is nothing but laughable! if we were to label it correctly it should be something like " THE RIGHT TO BE UNDERPAID SO YOUR REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS CAN ENJOY A SOLID STREAM OF CONTRIBUTIONS FOR THEIR RE-ELECTION ".
[That = hated NORTH Vietnam for you right-wingers.]
Even Vietnam is bailing out its economy, even though their economy is growing [No! Must be some Salonista propaganda! We STILL ought to nuke 'em!]
http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/business/2008/12/14/D952UE900_as_vietnam_stimulus_plan/index.html
It's time for a USA auto industry loan!
Koppelman and whatsisname don't do Salon proud. Speaking as a non-American who could buy US cars but doesn't, why are these writers avoiding speaking about who is actually responsible for all this?
Lying politicians? Somewhat. Lazy workers? Maybe. Inefficient workers? Maybe. Expensive workers? Well, yes. Greedy unions? Somewhat.
BUT WHAT ABOUT FILTHY-RICH TOP MANAGEMENT?
Why do you avoid speaking about the guys who pulled the levers? Who fly in unthinkable luxury to their golf resorts while their companies tank? Because of the "Yank Tanks" they build that we (the other 6 300 million of humanity) wouldn't dream of buying.
Who pay themselves millions, then millions on top of that in "BONUSSES" for every conceivable little thing they can spin as "positive" (even if they have to lie and collude to get their share price to blip upwards at reporting time), yet NEVER penalise themselves when they cock up (oh, that's always due to "circumstances beyond their control").
Jeeeesh, Salon!!
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
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