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Just so you know where we really stand: Timbuktom believes Walter Map has been brilliant throughout this auto industry debate, on this thread and others. Timbuktom also believes Elephantman has been pretty good on auto industry stuff, although E-man's constant focus on CAFE standards seems off-topic in this bailout context.
However, Timbuktom is amazed to find himself on the same side as Elephantman, even if it's only on one topic. Timbuk is keeping an open mind, but he worries about many of E-man's other posts on other topics.
Finally, Timbuk wonders why E-man and Walter insist on fighting one another here. Let us keep on educating, and fighting neo-mythical misconceptions.
