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Friday, December 5, 2008 12:00 AM

Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die

Barack Obama was, without question, born in the U.S., and he is eligible to be president, but experts on conspiracy theories say that won't ever matter to those who believe otherwise.

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Friday, December 5, 2008 09:52 AM

the conspiracy

Just by publishing this column, you've shown yourself to be part of the conspiracy.

Friday, December 5, 2008 09:55 AM

The nice thing about this...

Is that we nowadays have the kooks, crackpots, and delusional lunatics confined to the fringes where they can live out their lives in misery.....instead of running the show.

V V

Friday, December 5, 2008 09:56 AM

OK, I agree, but...

I do not and have never thought he was not born in Hawaii. I think he's qualified to be president and is a natural born citizen, but why doesn't he just release the full form birth certificate? It might not end it from the conspiracy theorists' point of view, but why not just do it?

Friday, December 5, 2008 09:59 AM

you forgot to mention...

that Hillary's investigators found his Birth Announcement in a Honolulu newspaper--

Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama are proud to announce the birth of their son August 4 1961...

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:01 AM

Idiots

These people are phucking idiots. If you could construct a time machine and send them back so they could actually witness Obama being born in a Hawaiian hospital, they'd still find something to nitpick over, like "well the man in the White House is just an imposter who killed the younger Obama and assumed his identity." The BS will never stop flowing and they'll keep issuing one frivolous lawsuit after another.

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:05 AM

Paranoid Fantasies are Not Solely the province of the so-called "Right-Wing."

Query: Were you this dismissive of those who claimed to have positive proof of the equally ridiculous claim that "9/11 was an inside job" somehow caused by Bush? I'll bet not.

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:10 AM

Another sort of perpetual motion

The people who won't let this die remind me of those who are sure they have a perpetual motion machine, or a magic carburetor or a way to tap vacuum point energy. They refuse to believe that their discovery doesn't work. When it is shown not to work they claim that the testing procedure is flawed. When the testing procedure is shown to be accurate then they demand testing of the devices that tested the testing procedure. It never stops. I am sure workers in the Patent Office have seen this sort of delusion more times than they can count.

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:12 AM

I'm reminded of the saying

It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt. (I suspect this of being Mark Twain)

So Rush et alia are exposed as fringe fruitcake fanatics frantically fondling straws. Too bad the MSM won't be so blunt.

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:15 AM

Lol.

"One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

In my opinion, this is one of the most intriguing characteristics of conspiracy theorists, religious fundamentalists, racists and homophobes of all stripes and sadly, the unmedicated mentally ill. It's as if they possess a heightened solipsism which explains why these individuals are so much more "special," "beloved by God" or intellectually and physically superior to everyone else, providing an almost divine ability in discerning the Truth beyond the smoke and mirrors of exculpatory evidence. It's amusing in small doses, but with the advent of the internet, the spread of this kind of thought process is getting rather scary.

Sidenote: honestly, if there was ANY truth to any of this, wouldn't Hillary have brought it up during the Primaries? Cmon, people...

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:19 AM

Because their sore losers

That's the REAL reason thier doing this (of course their even worse winners so I guess we shouldn't complain too much). Sounds to me like most of these losers don't have any real jobs to begin with anyway. I'm just waiting for the Law and Order episode where a defendent claims he can't be charged with a crime on the grounds that Obama isn't really eligible to be president. Ripped from the headlines!

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:20 AM

This is a non-issue

Even if Obama were born in Kenya, his mother was still a US citizen, which would thereby confer citizenship upon him. No one seems to remember that the same eligibility issue was raised when Mitt Romney's father George ran for president in 1968, because he was born in Mexico. It was ruled that since Romney's parents were US citizens - who were in Mexico as missionaries - he was a legitimate American citizen. Even more abstruse was the question raised in 1964 over Barry Goldwater's status as "natural-born" citizen: he was born in Arizona before it was a state. The challenge was quickly laid to rest.

If you need to get your heart started in the morning, look at worldnetdaily.com or newswithviews.com. It's not enough for their writers to call Obama a socialist/I mean Marxist/I mean communist - now he is referred to as "Illegal Alien Hussein."

Some people won't take yes for an answer.

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:20 AM

Ah the joys of the rabbit hole!

I do loves me a good trip down conspiracy lane. Koppelman actually overlooked the most basic conspiracy theorist refutation of reality: "that's just what They want you to think!"

There is no way on Earth to debunk a conspiracy theorist's beliefs, because there is no source beyond reproach.

However! Koppelman raises a good point in the prospect of future challenges to Obama's every executive action. Because of that prospect, I believe that the Supreme Court should hear the case and decide unanimously that Obama is eligible and legitimately the president. Having that on the books will allow these subsequent suits to be dismissed, saving MILLIONS in nonsensical legal costs.

Of course, we all know that the Supreme Court handed W, the presidency and has been only more deeply stacked with Right Wing Illuminati in the intervening years. It could very well be the plot of our Skull and Bones overlords to have this case come before the Supreme Court so that they can throw the 2008 election into limbo, paving the way for a continuation of the Bush/Cheney administration . . . see this shit it fun!

Friday, December 5, 2008 10:20 AM

Actually, the real irony is it is irrelevant.

If Obama was born in Kenya, Indonesia, or even Iran it would not affect his eligibility. Legally he would be a "natural born US citizen", which does not mean "born on US soil" like these pinheads think, it means "born under one of the sets of conditions that legally define a person to be naturally, by right of birth, a US citizen".

One of those sets of conditions is: Born on foreign soil to a non-US citizen and a US citizen who has lived in America for at least 5 years.

Unless they can prove his mom was not a US citizen or didn't spend 5 years in this country, these guys are spinning their wheels.

For the record, since BOTH of John McCain's parents were US citizens who had resided in the country for at least one year, he doesn't even have to use the "born to a US Serviceman posted abroad" clause.

Fearless prediction: The Supreme Court will unanimously reject to hear this case, as it has no legal merit; even if every piece of evidence Berg presents was proven factually correct--a huge stretch--Obama is still a natural born citizen and eligible. They have real cases to consider, they don't have time to go snipe hunting after winger fantasies. By every legal definition, nobody has yet to present any single argument that actually disqualifies him even if true.

These people take stupidity to a new level. The scary part is whenever I think they've bottomed out, they get dumber (although I will say that the Malcolm X allegation Alex mentions made me start to wonder if Atlas Shrugs is really a brilliantly subversive satire).

On the other hand, I find this amusing. I highly recommend the Malcolm X theory as a truly dizzying descent down someone's mental rabbit hole. And look at the bright side: As long as these assholes keep their attention fighting ghosts like Obama's eligibility and the Fairness Doctrine, it keeps them from causing mischief in the real world.

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