... I would agree with Elephantman about anything, but surely if Graner was directly ordered to do the things he did, then even if he was not allowed to mention the names of the seniors from who he received orders at his trial, he would be now have been able to give their names to his parents--whom he has been able to speak to. But he hasn't.

Anyone who has ever worked with prisoners knows that they are ALL innocent. Every single one has been framed, or at the very least overcharged.

I seriously doubt that Graner has got, say, 30 days in solitary confinement for miscounting his magazines. There must be more to it.

Of course Bush, Rumsfeld, and Chaney still need to be brought to trial, but that is a separate issue.

I think that there's sufficient evidence to convene a Grand Jury on the issue.

A Grand Jury- as opposed to a softball Congressional committee hearing where none of the questioners do a follow-up to Donald Rumsfeld on the mystery of how it is that while the revelations of abuse had been publically known since January 2004, and General Taguba completed his full report on the Abu Ghraib atrocities in March 2006, two months prior to Rumsfeld's testimony before the committee- but that Rumsfeld (if his testimony is not perjurious) apparently either never once requested a copy of the report on this high-profile scandal, or never wondered how it was so long in reaching his personal attention; and according to extant accounts, never once requested a personal meeting with General Taguba or obtained a copy of his findings- until the night before Rumsfeld's scheduled appearance before Congress.

I note that both Charles Graner and other military personnel have made reference to the actions of Americans working for "OGA" (an acronym denoting a non-military agency so secret that it was not allowed to be named in reports) in the same facilities where they worked, using tactics so severe that they allegedly sometimes resulted in detainee deaths; and that Graner and others undoubtedly drew the inference that the traditional limits in which they had previously been instructed were no longer in operation.

In the absence of a criminal investigation, of course, there's no way to determine the full extent of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld's culpability in these matters- or in the possible destruction of evidence bearing on that matter. But the record is clear that- among other facts- Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld lifted the limits of permissible interrogation tactics used on detainees at Guantanamo Bay; that the commander of Guantanamo Bay's Camp Delta & X-Ray and some of the same interrogators at Guantanamo- including OGA personnel- were later transferred to work in the prisons operated by the military in Iraq, such as Abu Ghraib; that the warden of Abu Ghraib prison, Janis Karpinski, claims that she was ordered by her superiors not to visit some sections of the facility for which she ostensibly had responsibility, to the point where she didn't even possess keys to the off-limits wards...

I find that last detail to be especially worthy of note, both because it's so little known, and because of what it implies- that those above her in the chain of command felt a pressing need to hide something from her. It's also remarkable that- correct me if I'm wrong- Brig. Gen. Karpinski was the highest-ranking officer to receive any administrative discipline in the Abu Ghraib affair. She got a reprimand and reduction in rank, which effectively ended her military career and led to her retirement shortly thereafter. She and Charles Graner fill out two ends of a continuum, so to speak.

By contrast, Karpinski's immediate superior, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, received no official punishment- although he did opt for a hasty retirement- which was (according to a story in the Washington Post) complicated by the fact that some Senators insisted that he drop an invocation of Fifth Amendment protection, in order to testify before a Congressional Committee, before he would be allowed to do so. "Discrepancies" have since been found in some of his testimony before Congress- but thus far, Miller has not been pursued for criminal perjury. He was allowed to retire- in fact, at his retirement ceremony on July 31, 2006, he was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal, and praised as "an innovator."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_D._Miller

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(Yes, I know it's Wikipedia- but this entry is quite well-referenced. Links aplenty, in fact.)

Those are just a few of the germane details, easily gleaned from unclassified sources in the public record, Elephantman. I can find more.

can be found by clicking on my highlighted signature.

here's some of what's in the Wiki link on Gen. Miller:

...On November 2002, Miller was given command of Joint Task Force Guantanamo Bay (GTMO), which runs the US detention facilities known as Camp X-Ray, Camp Delta and Camp Echo in Cuba. Miller claimed that two-thirds of the 600 prisoners had confessed to being involved in terrorism and were giving "actionable intelligence."...

...In August 2003, Miller was sent to Iraq by the Department of Defense to help get more information out of Iraqi prisoners. In September, Miller submitted a report that recommended "GTMO-ising" their approach - combining the detention and interrogation units at Abu Ghraib into the Theater Joint Interrogation and Detention Center. Specifically, Miller suggested that prison guards be used to "soften up" prisoners for interrogations.

In his final report on the prison abuse, General Antonio Taguba blamed Miller's recommendations for the abuse at Abu Ghraib, and noted that using military police for interrogation was a breach of official policy. Miller denies that he was specifically ordering guards to humiliate and torture prisoners to get confessions out of them.

After the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse story broke in March 2004, Brigadier General Janis Karpinski was suspended and Miller was appointed the deputy commanding general for detainee operations for Multinational Forces in Iraq. In this role, Miller reports directly to Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez. Since his appointment, Miller has vowed to reduce the number of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, adhere to military laws as well as the Geneva Convention, investigate allegations of abuse, and reform the Iraqi prison system. He banned the use of hoods on prisoners during transport and set up a new system to allow prisoners to have visitors.

Since the investigation of abuses at Abu Ghraib, some have suggested that Miller encouraged abusive tactics. In an interview with BBC Radio, former prison commander Janis Karpinski claimed that Miller told her to treat prisoners "like dogs" in the sense that "if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them".[2] Major General Miller denies that he ever made the comparison.

Colonel Thomas Pappas, head of the military intelligence brigade at Abu Ghraib, has claimed that it was Miller's idea to use attack dogs to intimidate prisoners.[3] He said the same tactics were being used at Camp X-Ray. Several of the photos taken at Abu Ghraib show dogs surrounding (and in at least one case biting) screaming, naked detainees.

In November 2004, Miller was replaced as deputy commanding general for detainee operations for Multinational Forces in Iraq by MG William H. Brandenburg.[4]

[edit] Exercised his right to protect himself from self-incrimination

For a period of time Miller exercised his right to protect himself from self-incrimination.[5] According to the New York Times: "He changed his position when the US Senate Armed Services Committee delayed his retirement until he was more forthcoming."

In May 2006 Miller testified at the courts martial of the Abu Ghraib dog handlers that his instructions on the use of dogs had been misunderstood.[6] Miller testified that he instructed that dogs should be used "only for custody and control of detainees". Miller's testimony was directly contradicted, the next day, by Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Phillabaum, the commander of Abu Ghraib's Military Police detachment...

...Congressional testimony

In July 2005 discrepancies emerged between Miller's May 2004 testimony to the Senate Armed Services Committee, and sworn statements he made three months later.[7][8]

Gen. Geoffrey Miller told the Senate Armed Services Committee in May 2004 that he had only filed a report on a recent visit to Abu Ghraib, and did not talk to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld or his top aides about the fact-finding trip.

But in a recorded statement to attorneys three months later, Miller said he gave two of Rumsfeld's most senior aides - then-Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary for Intelligence Steve Cambone - a briefing on his visit and his subsequent recommendations.

Retirement

Miller retired from the Army on July 31, 2006.[9] The Washington Post reports that Miller wanted to retire, in February, forgoing trying for promotion to Lieutenant General, because his reputation had been damaged by alleged links between his policies at the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp, and at Abu Ghraib, and the abuse of prisoners. The Washington Post reports that Congress delayed his retirement because Senators weren't confident he told the truth when he testified before them. The Washington Post reports that he was only allowed to retire when he promised, in writing, to appear before congress, and testify truthfully.

At his retirement service Miller was awarded the Distinguished Service Medal, and praised as an "innovator".[10]..."

Unfortunately, many of the links to the entry have been deceased.