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Monday, November 17, 2008 12:00 AM

Bill Ayers talks back

Sarah Palin called him a terrorist, Barack Obama called him an acquaintance. A Salon editor who knew Ayers back when talks to the ex-Weather Underground member turned Republican talking point.

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Monday, November 17, 2008 07:37 PM

Smart Boys

It's really good that Bill Ayers has continued to work for justice and education throughout his life. That's pretty redemptive. And who am I, etc.

I remember that horrible national darkness like yesterday. It doesn't amaze me that some people succumbed to the contagion of violence. Violent plans, violent acts.

I wish that one million people had gone to Washington and stood silently in the streets until the capital ground to a halt. No flower, rock and roll and joints...just silence.

Ayers reminds me of some of the coldly furious radicals I was close to. Cerebral, full of testosterone (in their 20s) and likely feeling guilty. The farmer's son I sat next to at Fort Meade when my privileged boyfriend was getting through his physical...I'll never forget that kid. I was 19, the only woman in this huge room full of teenaged boys. Buses literally pulling out as we sat there, roaring away...to Nam. I was horrified, this cannon fodder crowd. I asked the boy beside me, why are you doing this? He said, I'm seventeen but I'm going. Why? I don't get along with my old man.

My boyfriend came out white as a sheet...his bad knee got him out of it. He drove all the way to downtown Baltimore standing up in his red convertible. I celebrated with him. The farmer's son got on the bus.

So Ayers and Bernadette wanted to bomb things? Imitation, I think. An impotent and immature echo of war. It didn't help. It hurt the peace movement just as a previous poster said.

I don't know if he owes anybody any groveling at this point. But I don't think he seems very reflective about it. I'm glad he's stayed busy with productive things.

Me, I prefer Ghandi. King. They had guts.

Bombing is never, ever about bravery.

Monday, November 17, 2008 07:41 PM

@Beth Greenholt-

Try being a little less smarmy, OK?

Mai Lai was an anomaly, OK? The rest of us (not withstanding the bullshit self-proclaimed hero- rich brat, Kerry) served honorably, OK?

And, Walter Map, you are the smelliest turd here. What you know about America boils down to constant arrogant, self referential carping. Something tells me you are a lawyer. Personal Injury? Union? Family Law? Bet you've made a killing on make believe grievances. Great country, right?

I am not threatening anyone. I hope Obama turns out to be the centrist he said he would be when he was running, and I enjoy the obvious pride and gratitude most of the blacks I know and see in my daily life are feeling. It is a wonderful thing, if you hip, chic, radical libs do not squander it.

I am just saying, you pretentious turd, don't denigrate this great country which millions of living veterans preserved with our blood sweat and tears, you little turd,

We don't like that. We vote too, you know.

The possibility that Obamanation will create some kind of civilian service for brainwashed youth "doing service" is kind of disturbing to people like me. What "service" will they do, Walter dear? Show up in uniform in great numbers to cheer for the Great Leader? Would they be armed in times of great challenge and stress, Walter?

The possibility that they will shut down talk radio with bullshit "fairness doctrine" crap is also disturbing. Isn't it enough that the major media, Time, Newsweek, NYT, Washington Post, Atlanta Constipation, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN is already in the kool aid tank with you, Walter Map?

If you overreach with your left wing bullshit, Walter, who knows what that might happen?

Monday, November 17, 2008 07:42 PM

Liberals double-speak

Bungo Pony said:

“1) I don't listen to Farrakhan or care what he has to say.”

However for sure you paid attention to what Sara Palin’s Pastor said.

2) "….Are you suggesting that Ayers is still up to these things? Once again, nobody is denying his involvement.

For sure he has not repented. So is he? That is the point. He has not repudiated those acts.

3) "……. Are you saying that this is not what Ayers has become. One more time; the interview was about today, not 35/40 years ago. The 60's are OVER.

Has he become a “distinguished professor”? Like the murder of babies has become a ‘choice’? Most definitely the degradation of America, bail out and everything are the result of the lack of principles, of ethics, of everything because after all, if it is all right for a mother to kill her babies what could possibly be wrong?

The interview was about today? A person could be disengaged from a past that the person has not repudiated!

4) "….. So, by your logic, McCain is a terrorist (Contras, G. Gordon Liddy) or a crook (Keating 5) and Palin is a secessionist (pals around with/sleeps in same bed with one). So, what's your point? Guilt-by-association is a slippery slope.

McCain and Palin were extensively discussed by the media. Obama was not.

5) "…. - Apparently not. Did you catch the election results?

Then you are saying that because Obama was elected then his associations were not questionable? Then would you agree that because Bush was re-elected the liberals have done wrong criticizing him for the Iraq invasion?

Monday, November 17, 2008 07:44 PM

Walter Map

I am merely one who reads voraciously and tries to synthesize and distill the thoughts of those much more wise and learned than myself.

I am amazed that many are still in denial about what's happening.

In the last depression, people robbed banks. Now, the banks rob people.

What a crazy mixed up world.

Monday, November 17, 2008 07:44 PM

I still don't get it.

Throughout the campaign I kept hearing about this terrorist Bill Ayers and kept wondering why the police or homeland security didn't pick this guy up??? For heaven's sake, if he is that dangerous, how could he be running free? Now that he is interviewing with the press, I still keep looking for the big story of how he was arrested and tried and found guilty. Was he just some "big-mouth" on the left, like a lefty Limbaugh wannabe, or did he really commit terrorist acts? I'll never understand the rage of voters who were influenced by this story when voting for president, but never shouted for his arrest or demanded be taken away to guantanamo at least.

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