i'm sure you know i speak of daley pere..

actually that was an argument that was in place in '68, that ayers, dohrn, hoffman etc were some sort of agents provac...and was disproved during julius hoffman's show trial

it was a police riot, pure & simple....

Somehow, you strike a chord. Us ancients from the 60's have a certain bond I guess. I had a change of mind after meeting and talking with too many Vietnamese refugees and too many Vets with their heads on straight who truly understand that WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS.

It all boils down to that, Patty, WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS, and even if you apply moral relativism to our land, we still are THE GOOD GUYS.

What nation has ever been better than ours?

I tried to convince the doc at the induction centerthat his exam was "rather perfunctory" and he laughed at my claims of flat feet and high blood pressure and said, "you'll do." And do I did, all the way to Vietnam and back, hating it all the time, but, in retrospect, soldiering was one of the best things that happened to me. I belong to no vets groups, no American Legion Post or Veterans of Foreign Wars, but, whenever I see a flick like "Band of Brothers" or "Deer Hunter" my eyes well up with tears.

Their is a brotherhood among those of us who served which Obamabots will ignore at their peril.

@elephant

i'm sure you know i speak of daley pere..

actually that was an argument that was in place in '68, that ayers, dohrn, hoffman etc were some sort of agents provac...and was disproved during julius hoffman's show trial

it was a police riot, pure & simple....

-- patg

And I am sure that you know of the film footage from the 1968 Convention floor, with old man Daley screaming at the speaker on the podium who was denouncing the Chicago cops, while Daley, surrounded by Bill and Richie was yelling, telling him to shut up.

And later, "Da police of da City of Chicago are not here to cause disorder. Dey're here to preserve disorder."

Anyway, there were two different incidents. August 1968, in Grant Park, in front of the Michigan Avenue hotels, where Ayers was arrested and he claims (falsely?) to have been "beaten bloody."

Then, there were the October, 1969 "Days of Rage," with such aimless violence and destruction that those paragons of civic virtue, the Black Panthers, denounced the event and the Weather Underground. The only part of the Days of Rage event that happened in Grant Park was the women's "auxilliary" of the WU held a small rally there that the cops busted up.

this is your misperception...i play poker with vietnam vets who bear my my bad knee no ill will...as i bear your sacrifice no ill will. i believe our generation were all connected and some like mr ayres and lt calley took things to the nth degree, but this does not make us at odds, indeed i believe it strengthens our generation and our nation's fabric.

we can't all march to the same drummer, my man...

god, i will stop that my friend stuff...i was only speaking of the grant park incident...i had (actually i was never sds, i was in the war resisters league , an older joe hill org) cut my self off from wuo by the days of rage...that was totally unproductive.

i mean blowing up a statue?

Mill Valley is a dead giveaway. They are all klueless liberals there, I had a girl friend from Mill Valley and another one from nearby San Anselmo. They are all liberals there: hiking boots, hot tubs, casual sexual encounters, lots of yeast infections and bladder infections. It's real dramatic there in Marin County, which can boast of Barbara Boxer. If you can boast of Barbara Boxer, what else do I need to know about you?

But I did truly love Mount Tam. My best friend at the time knew her trails like the palm of his hand. We went on many hikes there and in Big Sur. He wasn't your type, I'm afraid: Unpretentious, apolitical, just a wonderful West Coast dude who never had a car, walked everywhere he went (Hi Wayne!) and never found the perfect woman of his dreams.

you found your man, zoltan? good for you!

This...

"We Were Soldiers Once and Young" is based on a battle I saw from the deck of our troop ship, the first major encounter of our troops with NVA.

You could see the Vietnamese Central Highlands from your ship?? What a crock of shit! Yeah, and Sarah Palin can see Russia from her front porch. You people amaze me.

My first encounter with Ayers was when he attacked me, yelling that I'm a CIA agent-- only after one of his ilk grabbed me from behind. But hey, that was forty years ago. In the end he and his wife made the most of their wealthy resources to escape liability for their their infantile bourgeois revolution...fine, case closed. That he now has a social conscience is most welcome. Obama became the man in the arena while Ayers plays it safe in a " campus sandbox" (what at UC Berkley in the 60s) with tenure. Obama's "God Damn America" pastor did not throw bombs like Ayers but instead served in the US Marines. So, Rev. Wright is a real American hero who earned his disappointment with HIS America the hard way, not the rich punk way of "Weathermen." So let's all take more seriously Rev. Wright-- instead of Ayers-- and look into why he lost faith in this great nation, for he did more for America than most of his critics.

God smiled on America, forgave us and Ayers, was understanding to Wright, and gave us a national salvation: PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA. A real Communist, Betina Aptheker led the FSM at Berkeley in 1964 and called for "meaningful dialogue" instead of "red revolution" as Ayers did. Had we stayed devoted to that, we might have avoided the whole Bush-it era. But now let's all unite to make America Red-White-Blue-and GREEN again. Let's not forget but let's forgive. I forgive Palin for being so stupid but not Bush for being so criminally negligent as an "un-decider," letting Rumsfeld make war.