i never saw anyone say juan was ungentlemanly, as i never saw anyone say our GI's were dirt bags. i asked you earlier to cite one reference from a salon poster badmouthing our armed forces and have not been given the dignity of a response.

how gentlemanly is that?

Is that statement by Ayers a true one? Was Ayers "beaten bloody"?

I ask because his Chicago mug shot from his arrest doesn't show a drop of blood or a single mark on the face of what appears to be a smug, smirking punk from the suburbs:

http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/P__Bill-Ayers.jpg

Walter Shapiro, you got any info on that? When was Bill Ayers ever "beaten bloody"? Or, is Ayers lying about that detail?

to borrow a mccainism, many of us were beaten bloody...do you really think daley's thugs would let us get mug shot in that condition?

We don't and never will exactly know exactly what B Dhorn did, but we do know what she said, and if you take the time to read it, most of you will find it chilling.

We don't know what Billy the creep actually did, but we do know what he said and what he continues to say. We also know that today, each creep has an established place in our wonderful academic community which can tell you a lot about the state of our academic community.

We also do know what horrible acts the Weatherundergroud proudly took credit for, and, if libral smucks refuse to connect dots, that doesn't mean there are lots of very clear dots to connect.

So, now, there they are, stalwarts of the liberal education establishment, devoted to brainwashing our young people to hate everything Washington and Jefferson and Franklin and Madison created here, with their honest attempt to forever protect us from government abuse.

Lots of luck to the alpha bang every radical dude sister slut, and, just look at his photo. There's a wonderful guy for sure, but doesn't he really look washed out, doesn't he look like a washed out soul who has taken way too many drugs and drunk far too much wine all his life?

Doesn't he look like death warmed over, as my dear Mum would have said?

And what are "nasty trolls," anyway?

Are they those who dare disagree with the formulaic stalin.com party line?

Is it so horrible to reject the nonsense liberal game of moral relativism?

Is it wrong to identify evil as evil?

Is this stalin.com just a mutual admiration society?

But, in one case, you are really right and you are really insightful.

The star of the show here does not give a shit. The self-absorbed turd of a trust fund baby certainly does not give a shit, and it is a very good thing that you do.

has anyone said what ayers did (forty years ago) was correct? most of our posts have tried to place his actions in the context of the times. if you were a GI back then, i understand that your take may be different from mine (i was 4-F, bad knee). but while i was an anti-war activist from ann arbor, and set no bombs, i knew those who did.

as you may have known the ohio guardsman, or their ilk, who gunned down unarmed college kids...it's all in the perspective...

"Bill Ayres, Bernadine Dohrn, together 40 years."

So if we blow things up and wield our forks in the cause of crazed perverts, we stay together? Stalinista family values?

Then again, she might have just stayed with him for his trust fund.

"he was a terrorist but at least he accepted his fate unlike Mr. Ayers who is a celebrity of the baby boomers and considered a prophet of the just in Chicago."

I absolutely assure you, 98% of the population of Chicago, Baby Boomers or not, would not be able to tell you who William Ayers was 1 year ago, much less a prophet or a celibrity. Even now I doubt the vast majority have any knowledge of William Ayers outside of election talking points. Any "celebrity" status has been imparted by the right wing. Ayers can thank you for increasing his book sales.

elephant my friend

to borrow a mccainism, many of us were beaten bloody...do you really think daley's thugs would let us get mug shot in that condition?

-- patg

We may have to revive that phrase, "Daley's thugs." Bill Daley, Rahm Emanuel, Valerie Jarrett, Axelrod, Plouffe, Michelle Obama. All graduates of the new Daley machine.

But back to your point -- what is your point? That Ayers was indeed "beaten bloody" but had been somehow cleaned up for a mug shot? Or that many people were "beaten bloody" and so Ayers' reference is only that he was part of a "beaten bloody" group -- that he was only figuratively "beaten bloody"? I don't see it, in any event. There's not a mark on him in his mug shot.

I sort of wondered if Ayers was mixing his own metaphors, dates, and places. That he may have been arrested, and not beaten at all (as the picture seems to indicate) in August of '68, but that he might have been beaten in the 1969 Days of Rage which was really nothing but a riot (the main, organizing principle of the Days of Rage was to disrupt the city, break a bunch of shit, and fight with cops or anybody who acted like cops), and hardly a political protest of any kind, and, if I am not mistaken, took place not in Grant Park but in Lincoln Park and downtown/near North streets (Division and State Streets). If Ayers was indeed beaten in 1969 (differing from his recent quote), it is too bad that someone didn't hit him just a little bit harder...

re: each creep has an established place in our wonderful academic community which can tell you a lot about the state of our academic community

You mean, like this guy?

Douglas J. Feith is Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for National Security Strategies at the Hudson Institute. He is a Belfer Center Visiting Scholar at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government and a Distinguished Visiting Fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Douglas_Feith

"The fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth"

-Gen. Tommy Franks, in Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack

P.S. For all the attacks on Ayers, he and his cohort are but tiny blips on the radar screen insofar as doing any real damage to the United States.

Feith and his cohort, on the other hand, have actually caused death and destruction on a massive scale.

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As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.

Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.

Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.

I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.

William C. Ibershof

Mill Valley, Calif., Oct. 8, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/l10ayers.html?_r=2&ref=opinion&oref=slogin&oref=slogin