1. it is ALWAYS 'okay' to cheerlead, condone, or tolerate (or at least useless to resist) the lies, violence, hypocrisy, greed, and inhumanity of 'our' (sic) gummint and their immoral actions which MURDER MILLIONS OF INNOCENTS; but true patriots or dissenting gruppes who engage in ANY RESISTANCE OF ANY SORT (that goes beyond the handwringing and mewling favored by the babbling babbitry), or who foment revolution, ARE TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING...

(you know, not the ACTUAL PURVEYORS of immoral wars, unconstitutional actions, and state violence, but those who protest their inhumanity...)

2. pointing at other's immoral acts is always -you know- a valid excuse for your immoral acts... *snicker*

3. viet vet's being spit upon is a konservative myth, AND besides the point, grow the fuck up...

4. NOTHING of any worth in social movements was accomplished by letter writers and campaign donations: it is ALWAYS the mutts, the malcontents, the loudmouthed ne'er-do-wells, the 'troublemakers' who FORCE social change...

art guerrilla

aka ann archy

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When I came back from Vietnam, I couldn't change into my civies fast enough. No matter I could fly for free in uniform. I did not want to be glowered at, and, like Zoltan, I sure wanted to to nail some of those free and friendly radical chicks. Nevermind they were spreading clap far faster than the baar girls of South Vietnam.

Fast forward 41 years: Last Christmans, I had a brief layover in the Atlanta Airport. We suddenly heard a loud roar of cheers and applause and I thought maybe the Hawks or Falcons were traveling through. The cheers kept getting louder, and suddenly we saw a batallion of US Armey men and women in desert fatigues waving and skiping and blowing kisses at all of us who were cherring for these beautiful young men and women who were home on Christmas leave.

You better not get too cocky in this heree saloon, my frems.

Unlike soldiers in my time, these kids can blog from their battle zones. No one recognized the wells we dug and the villages we protected and the water buffalo we bought for our allies. We were cast as murderers because of one rogue second louie and his piss poor fighting men.

Some of the best and brightest of our young today have volunteered to stand up to terror now, and they can tell you true stories of their service over there, but most of you have no interest in listening. They too dig wells and purify drinking water and get school supplies for the kids.

Those kids in fatigues and backpacks blowing kisses in that airport represent many hundreds of thousands who will actively fight your efforts to discredit them and all the good they have been doing to liberate Iraq from Al Queda, depose the bloody Sadam in Iraq and defeat the Taliban killers in Afghanistan.

You have won ONE election, and the more you push and the more you worship murdering sneaks like Ayres and Dhorn, the more push back and future defeats you can expect.

Obama has a great opportunity to finsh the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere, and to truly bring us all of us together. If, on the other hand, he does what most of you would like, do not exoect the rest of us to quietly slink away.

What I find most interesting about the Ayers situation is his current situation as compared to people such as Leonard Peltier, Ward Churchill, and the rest of the Native American population.

Leonard Peltiers has been in jail for decades under a very questionable set of circumstances and a questionable trial. Peltier has been denied a new trial.

Ward Churchill from CU Boulder lost his job as a tenured professor due to a paper he wrote following the 9-11 attacks.

Churchill lost his job because of what he wrote and said.

Both Peltier and Churchill are Native Americans and obviously, Ayers is not.

The Native American population as a whole have suffered unimaginable horrors, degredation, loss, and yet their concerns and issues are seldom, if ever, mentioned. DC residents continue to cheer the "Redskins" sports teams.

For all the gratitudes and platituds which are given to those in history who have help build this country, it seems time that the entire non-Native American population recognize their lives and rights enjoyed in this country are a direct result of the loss of life, rights, and actions taken against the original citizens of the land which makes up this country.

In the main, I agree with groland's "principled" ( Monday, November 17, 2008 07:07).

A few questions:

1) Which member of the following pairs is a more ethical and principled human being?

a) GW Bush b) William Ayers

b) Dick Cheney b) William Ayers

c) Condoleezza Rice b) William Ayers

d) zoltan newberry b) William Ayers

2) From whom would you prefer to buy a second-hand car?

a) GW Bush b) William Ayers

b) Dick Cheney b) William Ayers

c) Condoleezza Rice b) William Ayers

d) zoltan newberry b) William Ayers

3) If you had to follow someone into danger, which member of the following pairs would you choose?

a) GW Bush b) William Ayers

b) Dick Cheney b) William Ayers

c) Condoleezza Rice b) William Ayers

d) zoltan newberry b) William Ayers

4) If you wanted to give a loan of $ 100 to someone, which member of the following pairs would you prefer?

a) GW Bush b) William Ayers

b) Dick Cheney b) William Ayers

c) Condoleezza Rice b) William Ayers

d) zoltan newberry b) William Ayers

5) If you wanted to give a loan of $ 1,000,000 (or $100,000,000) to someone, which member of the following pairs would you prefer?

a) GW Bush b) William Ayers

b) Dick Cheney b) William Ayers

c) Condoleezza Rice b) William Ayers

d) zoltan newberry b) William Ayers

(In fact, I would not trust zoltan newberry or his friends and masters, with $0.10. Sorry about that, but that's the way it is, seeing their performance over time).

-- GSC

This is only slightly relevant, but Bill Ayers talks about the sea change of his two experiences in Grant Park, 1968 vs. 2008. When Obama's victory was declared, it was the first and only time I've seen people literally jumping for joy in the streets of D.C. The corner of 14th and U Street NW was choked with jubilant people of all ages and ethnicities, embracing and laughing and bellowing in triumph. The last time that corner had seen such an enormous crowd, such a frenzy of activity, as back during the riots of 1968 in the wake of MLK's assassination. Fires were burning and smoke was rising and the dreams of many Americans were being dashed by the moment, and forty years later...