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I cannot, by this interview and listening to this very thoughtful man get where the Right would label him a terrorist. We really have had in the last 8 years in particular, a lot of noise and very little in the way of sober discussion about complex realities. Beyond proving that he really was not a close associate of incoming President Obama, the conversation seems to become a meditation not only about the senselessness of war from someone who abhors violence, but an honoring of this moment in history when we may just have become mature enough as a nation to work for "liberty and justice for all." I say this man is a pacifist. Pacifists fight, but the weapon of choice is words and reasoned, if passionate appeals to conscience, to our "better angels". He sounds like a man who is like so many of us who seek a shift away from the toxic discussion of opposites we've been having. Maybe now in the Obama era, we'll adopt a more thoughtful mindset of the kind reflected in interviews like this.