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Well i agree with what Ayers said about guilt by association. But as much as the liberal illuminati down played Obama's connection to Ayers it was still a huge deal, mainly because the conservatives made it a big deal. But if Ayers is telling the truth that he and Obama have only has 15 or so conversation i am lost? I have Ayers wrote books for Obama and a countless list of other things. 15 conversations? What do we really believe?