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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Now, we have a case about one of Ronald Reagan's 1980s massacres in El Salvador. In a Spanish court. W's dad, and Don Rumsfeld, and Cheney probably were involved in this.
Let's investigate. Let's keep after them.
http://www.salon.com/wires/ap/world/2008/11/13/D94E9G3G1_eu_spain_salvador_massacre/index.html
There's no better way for the new administration to marginalize itself than to pursue this investigation. Go for it.
...any such pardon(s) would carry no weight with potential international tribunals on the egregious war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by the Bush/Cheney cabal, would they?
"...any decision on prosecutions probably would not come until a second Obama presidential term, should there be one."
The guy hasn't even been sworn in yet, done a damn thing about the sorry economy of the U.S., hasn't fixed nothng before he got there, and you're talking about prosecuting Bushies in "his second term?" What rubbish.
Do you reallly think that the majority of voters will accept Obama and Congress squandering precious time on Bush's ass for the next 4 years and not getting this country straightend out?
If Mr. "I'm the Uniter Not The Divider" President-Elect (sound familiar) thinks that this is what the voters voted for he will be a one-term wonder.
Why not investigate these crooks in corporations destroying our economy, way of life, and robbing us all of opportunities?
This is the exciting post-election news I really didn't expect I'd hear this soon....or at all. I mean if impeachment has been "off the table," did any of us really expect Bush & family to be held accountable for their war crimes? My jaw clenches just thinking about him walking after the 100,000+ murders he's responsible for. Absolutely unacceptable. Look, if the president can just somehow claim he's "above the law" for all of his crimes, there are certainly methods on the same uh level that can be used to convict him. I can tell you this: I will NEVER be satisfied until his entire cabinet faces trial for their crimes - massive baby crib style like Saddam & henchmen.
Show tryals is just what we need to bring us together, my frems.
Nevermind the cruel brutality of 9/11, clever momsers of the left.
I think the Guantanamo inmates should be transferred immediately to the Beverly Hills Hotel. Madonna can provide each of them with a harem of dancing girls. Each afternoon one of them will get to behead a Bush Official.
It will be fabulous.
Take a look at Etyfreak, about half a dozen posts previous. The road to Banana Republic might be paved with good intentions.
Congress can investigate whomever it wants, but I can't believe Obama will have much of an appetite to spearhead an investigation of the Bush administration. We are still at war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I doubt Obama, as the new commander in chief, will want to take legal positions in any investigation regarding various detention policies or interrogation techniques. Doing might have the result of eroding his own executive authority in prosecuting the war and doing what is necessary to protect our troops. Also, if he gets behind an investigation alleging widespread criminal conduct on the part of the Bush administration, he might find himself the target of such an investigation when he leaves office.
citizens could take action through initiative legislation. but it isn't, and all these letters are on the theme of
"if wishes were horses..."
The restoration of America rests not in elections, transitions or bailouts. It will happen with the restoration of justice.
Bush may indeed issue pardons to himself and anyone else involved in the kidnap, torture, abuse, degradation and murder of human beings, some of them American Citizens.
If there is such thing as poetic justice, may we make one last use of Extraordinary Rendition in the face if a blanket pardon:
Send Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi and all the other guilty felons to the Countries of which their victims screamed in agony, rotted in darkness and bled to death. Also included would be the originator of Extraordinary Rendition, Bill Clinton, who carried out these acts with the same craven immorality with which he beckoned Monica across the Oval Office.
Should these capital felons prefer to be dealt with by American Justice instead of the fate that awaits them in Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia, they can waive or refuse their right to pardon and be tried and sentenced here in America.
to realize how future generations should reflect on how Bush and Cheney protected us and prevented subsequent attacks.
I would imagine that Obama would want to let sleeping dogs lie and let Bush and company slide nixon style for the sake of bipartisanship. Which is understandable and reconciliatory and etc. It would be diplomatic and could potentially show good will when he asks for across the aisle cooperation.
BUT I would also imagine that in the future, there will be Presidents and administrations of questionable morals and judgement, who might also want to torture, invade countries under false pretenses, use advanced computational systems to spy on the entire US population and etc. It would be great if these future administrations have an insentive for taking personal reponsibility. We live under rule of law for a reason. TO guard against tyrany and criminality.
SO Obama and the new administration MUST expose and presecute these crimes. It would show a *minimal* amount of competency. Anything less would be wildly irresponsible and would leave a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE state of affairs for future generations of Americans.
This is very interesting.
But do we know if Obama is promising never to ever do anything like any of these terrible practices himself? Not even if the Congressional actions done for Bush allow him to?
I may have missed it, but why wait for the second term to complete this 'investigation'?
(Thinking slowly today so am writing each of my points separately.)
I would urge Obama and friends to try their hardest to prosecute George Bush for war crimes. Why not? Just because it would mean a fight? The fight would elucidate what we are all about, and show up the resisters for what they are all about.
Second, How about using the threat of prosecution of Bush (rather than just an investigation) to help him see the folly of a blanket pardon of any kind? Why not confront him in person with this and somehow negotiate it? (Not offering to take investigation of him and his cronies out of the mix at any time.)
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Salon headlines in your mailbox
