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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
These church followers and their thoughts are frightening. So brainwashed in their ideology they sound like Stepford people. The adoration for Palin is for all the wrong reasons.
What color is the sky in these chuch follower's world?
The ignorance and intolerance of the religious right is downright scary - allowing for, and supporting, the devastation of the majority of human beings who don't believe in Jesus. An AP poll in at the beginning of 2007 had 25% of Americans believing the second coming would happen that year. Where do you go with people like that? Where can you find common ground with ignorance that is so unfathomable.
You go to: www.buttheadpolice.com
and Vote for the extreme buttheads who purely for political advantage sought out and enabled this narrow-minded segment of the population - people like Bush and McCain and Palin - to get asses stamped on their heads. All in good fun, but makes a wicked statement. Spread the word!!
Just as the Bushies, evangelicals and their media pundits saw an everlasting bright future several years ago, now commentators on the other side are proclaiming the former's "sundown." Yes, these things come and go - and come again - as U.S. history from the late 19th century to the present demonstrates. What's missed, statistical methods aside, is that short of massive social change this is fundamentally a conservative capitalist country, with its mass support based on conservative/evangelical white Protestantism, buttressed by conservative Catholics and libertarians (and the military and police). One only need imagine what American fascism looks like (and has been), and the need to keep those forces active even if realtively subdued, to understand the silliness of talking about sundowns.
I agree with Zenwick, they will most likely create a Christian political party or split the Republicans in two + parties of wackos. They aren't going anywhere, that's just wishful thinking.
And by-the-way, where do these crazies get their info?! Is it cataloged anywhere on the Internets? I mean, I don't care for Bush, but just because many liberals refer to him in Hitleresque/Stalinist terms doesn't mean I think he is Hitler or Stalin reincarnate.
Having been a long time resident of Colorado, all I can say to the fundamentalist is - PLEASE FLEE! Oh, and take that moron Tancredo with you..please. Utah is close..go there..but leave us folks that fortunately live in a reality-based existence to our own devices...we'll do just fine without you...
"Megachurch"--sounds like a vitamin. These so-called churches are an anathema to the true mainstream religions of the world. They are run by poilitical hucksters simply trying to make a buck and influence public policy. Why is it that we seem to find a preponderance of these phoney operations throughout the south and west? These backwater reservations of hatred and narrow-minded "non-christians" need to be exposed for what they really are and taxed by our government. Bless you and good riddance!
makes you a Christian like standing in the garage makes you a car. I'm constantly amazed at people like Sarah Palin who call themselves Christians while engaging in behavior Jesus would find appalling. Her record as mayor and governor and her campaign speeches make it clear this woman is no Christian. Palin's lack of understanding of and respect for the constitution is a real threat to "people in this country who want to lead their individual lives" and "want to be left alone by the government" and "call themselves conservative Republicans" and yet many who identify themselves this way will be duped into voting for her. McCain certainly isn't long on family values, either. Obama, with a wife, 2 kids, 1 house, 1 car who got where he is on his own merit is a whole lot easier for me to identify with.
One of the most unsettling and revoltingly anti-democratic aspects of the eight year nightmare that we're finally waking from, is the push toward an American theocracy by churches such as this one, and individuals in the Bush Administration.
It needs to stop. America lost is collective mind in the wake of 9-11 and it was the perfect opening for whack-job fundamentalists to push themselves on to center stage. The erosion of the necessary line between church and state has chilled me to the bone.
We have been under the sway of deeply ignorant and fearful people for nearly a decade, and the degradation to our society and our standing in the world has been drastic and disastrous. We've had individuals in positions of power who reject and deride science, who start conflicts and wars based upon their belief in "the end times". We have people who use an entire segment of society - gays and lesbians- as scapegoats, the invectives and hatred spouted against us by "Christians" over the past eight years echoes precisely the tenor of the Anti-Semitic rantings of the Nazis during the 1930's.
This is a dark era in America that cannot come to an end quickly enough.
As one parishoner was quoted, "We've got a lot of people in this country who want to lead their individual lives, they want to be left alone by the government, and they call themselves conservative Republicans."
I would add that we've got a lot of American citizens- the majority- who don't want to have extreme, narrow-minded, fucked up bigotry legislated upon us under the guise of religion, or religious tolerance.
I, for one, cannot wait for churches like this to fade into obscurity. And I will do as much as I can to ensure that they never gain such outsized power and authority again. I am only one person, but for the sake of my freedom, it's the least that I can do.
Congrats on getting your salon card moments after the GOCon ended in Sept.. But if you think your 'tude invites discussion, then you don't know jack, or pounce or sunspot. You aren't addressing the article, just ragging on those who comment, and on salon itself, which you joined, and I believe paid for. Ever read Faulkner? Sound and fury and all that? No one is engaging w/u b/c you seem happy, unhappy, to fume, and unlikely to have an exchange of any value with anyone, even yourself. If you like to simply beat up liberals, meet me at the Venice Pier and I'll show you where the vegan peace-nik ends and screaming judo-girl begins. At least we don't yank your posts like slick-looking right-wing-nut sites do, loaded w/violent scary stuff and threats to Obama *already*, like this one:
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I don't drink Kool-Aid or join cults/religions, and I have followed Obama intellectually for a long time. The Obama-noia out there is the result of willful ignorance, the signature trait of our current POTUS. Obama is the only pol I've ever followed who possesses Negative Capability, and it's about time for that. He is a complex cat, an excellent writer, speaker and delegator. He is married to a smart, strong, warm woman and both come from middle-class homes. Hallelujah! Radical socialists with spooky agendas don't raise bubbly, happy children like that. 6 year-olds do not tow the line.
Now as for your other misguided perception: Obama is not protectionist b/c he wants agreements to be fair to workers and not just CEOs. He has supported and voted for FTAs, but is not a sheep. CAFTA was a bad deal. Sure NAFTA is good for Texas, but it sucks for NC and the textile industry. On balance it's good, but the quality of product isn't factored in and THAT matters to me. Cheap fabric ultimately costs more and gone are the quality twills and indigos from the Carolinas as well as the indigenous pattern weavings of the Tepehua, over run by cheap yarns from the US. Lovely strawberries from Chile, loaded with toxins. If the US would stop subsidizing corn, fluid dairy and paying farmers not to grow, we might be able have truly free-trade, but don't delude yourself we ever had it. We need to change the way things are pointed. If our farmers are encouraged to grow what grows seasonally, and are subsidized to learn how to implement safe fertilization, pest control and rotation techniques, they will no longer be dependent on growing corn for Big-Gulp softdrinks and we will all benefit healthwise. Enough? How about the subject article now?
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The Fundamentalists have static perceptions of a world they wish was static. They got stuck on "life" and dis-remembered the 'liberty and the pursuit of happiness' part as they head into my doctor's office and bedroom to straighten me out. It's a privacy issue - not 'abortion rights' as you Republics like to call it. Most Democrats are far more libertarian than you probably think. So stay the f out of my medical procedures and my sex life, stop bugging my tele, reading my emails, firing my independent-minded civil employees for not being fundamentalists, stop running your Humvees over my Constitution, calling increased effluents "Clear Skies" and giving no-bid contracts to your immoral, greedy, um, "Christian" friends (Blackwater).
And those Holy Rollers who claim to be close enough to the holy spirit to KNOW what is, to believe the Bible infallible, well, to them I say - your God's a dick. To wonder and question is a joy. The human imagination and intellect are protean wonders one could, and I do, spend a lifetime marveling at and learning from. To have to KNOW so desperately that you have to make it up, and unimaginatively put your own face on your God's face in a show of true vanity (a sin isn't that?) and be done with it, is a bummer. Philosophers would perish and what would we do in a world run by fundamentalists except observe the death of imaginative thought and courageous journeys into the unknown? May they lighten up or move to Wasilla. Amen.
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219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
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