Seems to me that those who are pro-choice do not have any desire to force the anti-choice crowd to have abortions, yet they think they have the right to make these decisions for everyone.

I hope this prop. in Colorado dies, along with Prop 4 (parental notification) and Prop 8 (writing discrimination into our constitution) in California.

The country tried living under these fundamentalists, all we got was war.

You have obviously missed the point. Fundamentalist Christianity has nothing to do with how its adherents live their own lives. It is all about the rules tey wish to impose on everyone else.

"We've got a lot of people in this country who want to lead their individual lives, they want to be left alone by the government, and they call themselves conservative Republicans"

You want government to leave you alone? Well why don't you leave government alone? Really. Stop using the GOP to attack other peoples' rights because they don’t reflect your own values. Stop pulling political strings to shred the constitution because you don't like what it says. And while you're at it, stay out of our bedrooms, our schools, our libraries. Keep your hands off our bodies. Hey, by all means, attend your silly church and cherry pick the parts of scripture that reinforce your pettiness, hatred, and intolerance. That's your right; knock yourself out. Just please go away from the political landscape, and maybe the government will return the favor.

Colorado Springs is home to the Air Force Academy, where the separation of church and state is basically an abstract idea, church attendance is mandatory if you plan to make the Air Force a career.

Do you need a better idea of what they practice/preach there?

Listen to the song "Sky Pilot" a 1968 release by Eric Burdon & The Animals, with lyrics like:

"He blesses the boys as they stand in line. The smell of gun grease,

and the bayonets they shine..."

and...

"You're soldiers of god you must understand

The fate of your country is in your young hands.

May god give you strength do your job really well

If it all was worth it only time it will tell......."

So, sleep tight tonight, your tax dollars are at work.

Jerry w

www.boskolives.wordpress.com

When I hear managers of aircraft carriers talk about Obama turning America into a Muslim country, I wonder how responsible that aircraft carrier is in hiring someone who is obviously either dumber than a box of rocks - or is capable of lying without blinking.

But hey, people in American love their little charades. And for that reason, the fundamentalists will find new fodder for their ideological bent.

told you to vote for George Bush.

What God were you praying to.

Whereas there were Christian abolitionists, they were the Quaker/liberal variant of Christian. The fundamental Christians were the ones who plumbed the Bible for every precious passage about slavery. Of course, they used those passages to justify slavery. The need for dominance is fundamental in fundamental Christians. It's just that today it doesn't get to play out in slavery. So, they've found other whipping boys in gays and abortion and they attempt to dominate the lives of gay citizens and women's wombs. If gay citizens were to gain equal rights, the fundies would just target some other group's rights.

So many of them apply lipstick, covet wealth, vote for war and torture, color their hair to contest God's will for us to age, practice gluttony, flash flesh, gamble, commit adultery, and fornicate. This is why they need to attend to the motes in other people's affairs: because they don't want to consider the logjams in their eyes.

Again, if they could have slaves and that would be socially okay, they would.

They would.

I'm convinced it's something in the water. Some very special form of stupid that can be found only in Colorado Springs.

Jeebus.

"I can't help but scratch my head over people who deride the faith-based spritual idealism of others- which is inherently ultimately an individual and subjective decision affecting personal consciousness, a realm where people ought to be allowed a wide latitude in their own ideas- while professing their own dire certainties about future prospects for the planet, and covering it with a gloss of 'scientific objectivity.'"

After a lifetime of trying, I've reached a point where I can't honor most allegations of faith. Certainly, if a person lives in a fine house and asserts faith, I can't, for even if they read the Bible, there's not sufficient comprehension. I have met a few true Christians. They're not physically close to me, for they're afar, serving the poor. They don't jibber-jabber about their faith. They live it. They follow in the footsteps of Jesus. And they suffer for it.

Cabdriver again:

"I'm particularly bemused when the certainties take the form of pessimistic nihilism. Great...you're a rational humanist materialist; concommitantly, humanity is all doomed, a pox on the planet."

Oh, don't be bemused. My conceding that this planet would be better balanced without us isn't a happy concession.

Cabdriver again:

"But human-caused global warming cannot be said to be "scientifically proven." We're still in the midst of the "experiment", after all. Neither can the catastrophic consequences that being forecast be said to be inevitabilities."

Sure, that's so. Our bodies often surpass the understanding of docs. The Earth is a guhzillion times more complex. Still, predictions were made and not only are they coming true, but at much faster rates than expected. I think it's going to be worse than expected...for us. However, in the long run, the Earth will do just fine. I think, if Jesus is the Son of God, given what Jesus said about the very few who would reach Heaven, that it's going to be much worse for most alleged Christians than they expect.

Cabdriver again:

"If you view those consequences as a certainty- well, as yet, you're simply entering another belief system."

Yep. I'm believing in cause and effect. It's a pretty good belief system.