They do this because they think they can co opt him since he obviously enjoys the good life and he has been chin deep in corrupt Chicago politics for the past 20 years and prefers his new mansion which he could only afford due to very sleazy connections to the modest condo he and her lofty highness traded in.

But when you and the wifie have spent ...(to be continued)

I just saw this a few nights ago and reading this thread I am struck by the similarities between these people and the "aw shucks" Southerners who tried to claim that they were just simple folk that wanted to preserve their good-old fasioned way of life, even though that meant lynching uppity niggers, burning down black homes and churches, and shooting at FBI "invaders."

This is the same dynamic. If the yokels elect McCain then I pray for a total economic holocaust that will make the Great Depression look like the teacups at Disneyland. And/or a Second Civil War or Revolution. Either way I'm afraid we'll have to bleed the stupid out of American society to survive.

Let me get this straight--you are worried about this country's future, yet you are going to (IIRC, so correct me if I'm wrong) vote for McKinney? If so, you are worse than racists who won't vote for Obama because you know all too well what's at stake here, yet you want to essentially vote for McCain. You have a nerve lecturing anyone on making the "mistake" of voting for Obama. Those people who did genuinely believe he is right for this country; whereas you are willing to throw your vote (and the country's future) away out of sheer spite.

"If the yokels elect McCain then I pray for a total economic holocaust that will make the Great Depression look like the teacups at Disneyland. And/or a Second Civil War or Revolution. Either way I'm afraid we'll have to bleed the stupid out of American society to survive."

Don't worry, if the yokels elect McCain this country is finished. We borrowed a trillion dollars from the Chinese to be in Iraq, our miltary is worn down and stretched out while McCain and Palin want to start new wars with Iran and Russia. Our economy and financial markets are on the verge of a meltdown because of the grotesque lack of regulation that brought us the sub-prime mortgages catastrophe, while the yokels, genetically, culturally and perpetually ignorant, vote for him because he's "one of them" and Obama "isn't like us", and for Palin, with whom they'd like to go out and butcher some moose.

“They’ll just shoot him down, anyway.” This seems to be a theme amongst people I know in Reno, NV who are undecided on Obama and I was struck that this theme was echoed in this article as being curious but consistent across the country. The last time this was brought up as a reason to not vote for him, I responded that his safety is a risk he’s taking and it isn’t our responsibility to save him by not voting for him. While I was confused by this conversation, I’m beginning to understand that some people are afraid to vote for him, because they believe his victory would be a death sentence. Not because he’s black (although I’m sure there are those who wish him harm for his race), but perhaps because he inspires the dream of real change and it seems we, as a nation, don’t truly believe in the possibility of change. We believe on a deep level that those who push for real change are killed, like the Kennedys, like Martin Luther King Jr. Maybe we are afraid to elect and embrace a president who does inspire us and dares us to work for real change. Maybe we’re a country who is afraid to truly believe, because the pain of our loss is still too tremendous to try again.

These poor simple folk distrust the wrong people. Right Wing media has spent millions on propaganda aimed at falsely imaging Obama. If only 12% are brainwashed enough to NOT vote for Obama based on the misinformation they continually feed on with right wing radio/tv, that's a solid edge for McCain. Or should I say, Palin/McCain.

As long as there is a Limbaugh/Christian Right choke hold on the airwaves across the nation, Republicans control the message. These folks listen to a lot of radio and FOX "news". It's lies and half truths ALL the time about Obama. These false accusations are even promoted in their churches. The polls show it's worked. Now all they hear is the positive hype about one scary not ready to be president Dick Cheney female counterpart named Sarah who came to the rescue to save them all.

Palin isn't a female dog with lipstick, or a pig with lipstick. She's a white rabbit Republicans pulled out of a sinister hat. Playing the sex card, as well as the race card, was an evil plan which has far exceeded their expectations.

Republicans aren't just crafty politicians anymore. They've gone to a new level. IF they get McCain, a classic Republican, elected after the disaster of the last eight years, they are magicians!

If your point is that we shouldn't have a black nominee because some people are racist, then we shouldn't have a female nominee because some unknown number of regularly Republican voters are sexist. Anything else is a double standard. And they we know 35% of Clinton's voters said that they were going to vote for Mccain in the election.

I think you know me better than that. My point is that we needed to choose a candidate who could win. In this election, winning is imperative. You are right that if a female candidate cannot win this one, then we shouldn't have a female candidate.

I don't have a double standard. I have an obsession with the Constitution, getting those bastards punished, and taking back our government.

Obama pissed me off big time when he back down on his promise on telecom immunity.

The question is how to turn the hearts of people who are listening. There are more people in the suburbs and exburbs than the areas that this man is talking about. There are potentials out there who are listening, who are economically bleeding.

You won't turn their hearts by implying that they are racists if they don't support Obama, because that is not persuasion. That is a threat.

At some point people need to love their children more than they fear a black man. Why the rich guy yells fear and they yell "outsider", the rich guy steals their money and sends their kid off to get killed in war. Oh, and the rich lady (because hockey is damn expensive) want to nuke Russia (because the only way we get war with Russia right now is nukes- we have no soldiers in reserve for a NATO attack).

To us, she is scary. To them, she is red, white, and blue and those colors matter.

Lots of people are not logical. Many conservatives are not and neither are many liberals. In Galveston right now there are people who are told that staying could be certain death (unavoidable) and they are hunkered down. People are so effing illogical that they will sometimes die rather than face and realistically weigh risk.

To paraphrase Sting, I hope these people love their children too.

Why do mothers send their beloved sons off to war? Is it because they do not love them?