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Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:00 AM

Where she was saved

The church where Sarah Palin grew up and was baptized preaches some of the most extreme religious views in the nation.

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Thursday, September 11, 2008 05:39 PM

Xanthro

I think I know why you are confused. You are mixing up nuclear power with a nuclear explosion. They are two very different processes, though they share many terms.

No, you're still trying to evade the fact that I've definitively proven you don't know what you're talking about.

A great amount of heat and pressure must be applied to trigger an nuclear denotation.

I'm still waiting for your evidence, which isn't going to happen because it's not true. Because you don't know what you're talking about.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 05:41 PM

Please cool it with the back & forth, G. and X.

This was a good discussion when we were writing about Sarah's church, before we went noukyouler. Maybe you guys can write your own article. Dinnertime. Please take a break.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 05:42 PM

xantrhro

DO please read the book. The CIA was so proud to have shut down the Plutonium trading network in 2003, THROUGH THE MAIL 100mg at a time, and held a celebration. ala "Mission Accomplished" only to find in 2006, that the network was still active. And presumeably still is.

Hide your head in the sand if you like (maybe the best place for it). WE blew it on Nuclear Verification a long time ago....

Hmmmm Who was that? Oh yeah, deregulatin', star fuckin', Ronnie (I'll consult my astricological charts while I go slowly crazy) De-regulate, "did I say De-regulate?" Ronnie the hero Reagan. How's that banking de-regulation working out now?

Where's the "trickle down" happen? I really want to know. Suply some facts, if you can afford.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 05:43 PM

Xanthro

It's not nearly as simple as bringing together a critical mass

I've proven otherwise. And you can provide no contrary evidence for the simple reason that you're talking out your ass.

...The refined Pu-239 is compressed into a critical mass. It's the actual compression that creates the criticality.

Baloney. My citation contradicts you.

Keep digging that hole, neocon. Here, have a bigger shovel.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 05:46 PM

timbuktom

Don't blame me, blame the Bushite propagandist. Please bear with me while I discredit this flaming neocon nitwit. Unless you'd prefer to have at him and his lies yourself. Plenty to go around.

Sorry.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 05:52 PM

timbuktom

This was a good discussion when we were writing about Sarah's church, before we went noukyouler.

The fact is, the pub VP pick is a radical right-wing religious nutcase member of a church that is Highly Interested in the so-called "End Times". And that giving such a person access to the US nuclear weapons arsenal represents an unacceptable danger to us all.

So far nobody has disagreed with this. Because it happens to be true.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 06:00 PM

cdr42

WE blew it on Nuclear Verification a long time ago....

Worse than that, the Almighty Dubya has thrown out the treaties relevant to nuclear non-proliferation and has pursued nuclear proliferation for some years now.

It's hardly any consolation that his approval numbers are rock-bottom. Of course, congress' approval numbers are even lower, likely because congress has failed miserably in keeping the Unitary Executive (read: dictatorship) under any kind of restraint.

Now Bush is warmongering in Pakistan without even bothering with the fig leaf of a congressional declaration of war. And Pakistan, unlike Iran, does have nukes. He feels entitled to do so because he is, after all, on a 'mission from God'. And there's no reason to believe Palin, herself a zealot, would behave any differently.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 06:01 PM

Don't want no crazy people running things

I have some Pents doing a big carpentry (car-PENT-ry, haha) job for me at the moment. Very sweet, thoughtful, conscientious, cheerful people, on the look-out for extras they can do for me, checking in to make sure the work is progressing to my satisfaction, thanking me profusely for a cup of water...needed to "witness" briefly but not pressing me at all. Raising up and giving life to some people who would otherwise be living wasted lives Just lovely people. In hunting season they go out and kill God's little creatures.

I spent my very early years in a Pent church - lots of throwing away of crutches, getting baptized in a bathtub on stage, rolling around and, yes, talking in tongues. Imported black ministers from the Southern U.S. for big tent rallies. (Sang dirge-like hymns like white mainline Christians tho.) It spoiled me for any other Christian services (like, BORRRRRRRRIIIINNNNNNGGGGGGGG. Who could sit in a pew and listen to some mumblin' minister after that).

But all this wonderfulness (see first paragraph, minus last sentence), and, well, fun (see second paragraph), plus all this anticipating (and maybe helping out) the end times is not something I want to see holding the most powerful office in the world. (Or being an old man's heartbeat away from doing so.) I think what we (you, being that I'm Canadian) (and we, too, as the rest of the world) need is a humorous, cool, thoughtful, INTELLIGENT person like Obama.

P.S. - Pent being far behind me these days, I now follow the pentagram. Crazy too, but I don't aim to make any decisions for anybody but me...

Thursday, September 11, 2008 07:41 PM

PLEASE hire a copy editor

If I read this nonsensical phrase one more time I'm gonna have to vote for McCain:

"Watching Palin's speech to the Republican National Convention, Butler says she thought to herself ..."

OK, so the emphasis is mine. But what the hell does it mean? That she usually thinks "to" someone else?

Thursday, September 11, 2008 07:49 PM

Let's not forget McCain's embrace of Rev. John Hagee

Ah yes, The Rapture! John Hagee wants war with Iran, and the expulsion of the Christians from the Holy Land, as part of bringing on Armageddon! And Joe Lieberman and John McCain chased after Hagee, seeking his support!

Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:07 PM

Alas poor Alacrity his religion does not unite it divides...jt

@Alacrity - The media is afraid of the wrong things. And the wrong people.

"In His time, Jesus was labeled a freak. A fanatic. A looney. His message was incredibly radical. (And it still is.) It's incredulous that Palin is being labeled a freak for being a follower of Jesus, while Obama is being praised and likened to Jesus, since Jesus was now, apparently, also a "community organizer". The fact is: Jesus was anything but a community organizer. Jesus preached the Gospel and revealed Himself as the only true way to God. The Gospel does not unify. It divides. It separates the believers from the non-believers of Christ."

Apart from the fact that this is an incredibly sad definition of "Christianity" as an ugly cult, it does make me very glad that I am not a Christian. I had hoped to hear some Christians take issue with this pathetic view of their religion. I know that it's based in Scripture, but that's a big book, is that really the passage upon which a decent person would want to focus their faith? "the only true way to God..." Humbug. That view makes Christianity a joke played upon the ignorant. I'd suggest this person spend some serious time in China, India or Africa and meet some of the wise and wonderful human beings in this world who grew that way without the help or hindrance of Christianity. This is a dim and narrow view of a very large and beautiful world - a world-view that I do not want a leader of my country to share. If, in fact, Sarah Palin believes the dogma stated by this person, I submit that she is unfit for public office in a pluralistic society. I also submit that those who do hold this view have no interest in protecting our pluralistic society; they do seek to advance theocracy, just like the Taliban.

I respectfully request that some journalist read this description of "Christianity' to Governor Palin and ask that she respond to it with her views.

Joey Tranchina

PS. @Alacrity - "How has it come to this in America — that Christianity is increasingly under such extreme attacks? "

There is a clinical description for that sort of delusion. Because someone finds something ugly and repulsive does not mean that they attack it, merely that one tries not to step in it or smell it. Aversion is not the same as attack.

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