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Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:00 AM

Where she was saved

The church where Sarah Palin grew up and was baptized preaches some of the most extreme religious views in the nation.

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Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:08 PM

Xanthro--

Creating a sustained critical chain reaction is an exceedingly complicated process.

Ridiculous.

All you need is a large enough piece of fissionable material. NO 'process' needed.

Next.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:09 PM

Reading disorder?

Where's Xanthro?

Answering your question, pretty odd to post this between my replies. Perhaps you either didn't read, or just got impatient.

I mean, if I knew that busting the wingnut in the face with a couple of easily-documented facts would have caused him to run away and hide I would gone easier on him. Now I'm going to have to find some other neocon to humiliate.

I'm not very intimidated by your lack of knowledge.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:10 PM

Xanthro

You're attempting to keep the subject off the fact that Palin is a religious nutcase - one dangerous enough to start Armageddon with nukes.

All you've done is prove that you yourself are a nutcase as well. And an idiot trying to palm himself off knowing something besides.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:14 PM

Xanthro

I'm not very intimidated by your lack of knowledge.

This from the nitwit who claims the biggest available nuke - now going up to 100-megatons - couldn't take out a medium-sized city, when the bomb that took out Hiroshima was only 20 kilotons - a tiny nuke by modern standards.

Isn't that right fool?

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:18 PM

Types of Plutonium

Xanthro--There are many types of Plutonium.

Really?

Name them, nitwit.

Odd request, but ok.

Pu-228 to Pu-247. Pu-244 is the most stable. It also has eight meta states.

You can post all the garbage you like, but I'm the one supplying the documentation, and the facts call you a whopping liar or an utter moron.

Documentation? You're providing links to Forbes magazine.

I tried not to write so far over your head, that you were unable to comprehend it. It appears I failed in this as well.

Should I assume in the future that your grasp of the subject matter is about that of a sixth grader?

None of your "documentation" supports your utterly silly notion that the US can destroy all life on Earth, or that Pu-stock piles will spontaneously turn into nuclear weapons.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:19 PM

As Bob Tilton used to say here in Dallas...

"Bah-sah-ta Bah-soy-ya!"

**FART**

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:21 PM

Xanthro

No, in fact, both US and Russian space agencies are currently suffering from an acute shortage of plutonium. Russia has almost all the remaining stockpile, measured in a few kilograms, and that stock pile will be depleted in a few years.

Such a nitwit:

U.S., Russia Recast Plutonium-Disposition Pact

Russia has an estimated stockpile of 120-170 metric tons of weapons-grade plutonium

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2007_12/USRussia

120 tons is more than a few kilograms. Were you aware of that, neocon?

You measure things differently in the Alternate Bush Universe?

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:24 PM

Xanthro

Should I assume in the future that your grasp of the subject matter is about that of a sixth grader?

This from the nitwit who thinks the nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just hoaxes.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:26 PM

Xanthro

Should I assume in the future that your grasp of the subject matter is about that of a sixth grader?

You're the brain-dead neocon who think a pound is more than a ton. A mistake a sixth-grader wouldn't make.

Your bible-school lack-of-education serves you badly, wingnut.

Thursday, September 11, 2008 02:36 PM

Enough Already!

The wall-to-wall Palin coverage only adds to her celebrity veneer. It's not helping. I am diametrically opposed to just about everything about her politics, and even I am starting to feel a little defensive of her.

Half of this article is a legitimate expression of concern for how certain religious practices and the beliefs that tend to go along with them negatively affect public policy (especially foreign policy). But it's not a straight line from glossolalia to nuclear disaster, so you need something of more substance to turn an article about Palin's religious upbringing into something resembling relevant commentary in this election. The other half of this article is trying to do that, but we don't have enough information so it comes across as trying to spin cobwebs into castles. The quote about the Iraq war and God's will is a good example of this. From the little context we have, it sounds to me like it could be something I've prayed many times (Lord, show us the part of this terrible destruction that You can fill with new life). Maybe she was talking there about God's will in the sense of some international pre-apocalyptic conflagration, maybe not. Maybe she takes AoG theology very seriously, maybe she's just an incredibly savvy, ambitious woman who knows a harness-able demographic when she sees one. We don't really know. But if we take those words and project our fears into them and turn her into a caricature, it reflects more poorly on us than on her.

We have to be careful about our tendency to parade certain religious beliefs and practices out like some kind of freak show in order to whip ourselves into a political frenzy (it's kinda' the liberal equivalent of tent-revival-level rhetoric, which I do not mean in a positive way). Most people will hear "speaks in tongues" and think "nutty, scary, bad, eeek!" but I've been to AoG services a number of times -- some of them are truly frightening in the way this article implies. Others are just plain sweet. Glossolalia can come across like a particularly angry psychosis, but it can just as often be like the cooing of a mother over her child. Once I attended a service and began to weep in the middle (my father had just died), and this group of people surrounded me and started "speaking in tongues" in the most comforting, gentle way I could imagine. It really depends on the people, the preacher, and the way they understand their practices in relationship to the larger world.

Look, once a week I drink wine and eat bread that has been mysteriously transformed through consecration into the body and blood of my Lord and Savior. That's pretty nutty too, on the face of it. It has deeper resonances for me embedded within my tradition, but it's hard to understand that if you don't learn a lot more about who I am as an individual and how my specific congregation explains and contextualizes that practice. And since we don't know enough about Palin to do the same for her spiritual practices, we really aren't doing much more than reacting viscerally to how different her background seems to us. This is the type of histrionic guesswork that happens when a candidate is being so completely cloistered from the media. The appropriate response is to demand more access to her, not to rush to our spinning wheels with a bag full of cobwebs.

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