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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
MaureenOdonnell: "The Second World War did not begin with the bombing of Pearl Harbour; it began in Europe in l939..."
Wow, did you figure that out all by yourself?
stop the presses!
The smart alek quips like "got a problem with exaggeration kiddo" and he doen't know what the hell he's talking about.
Ravanne: "It wasn't a policy speech. It wasn't a speech about the focus of an Obama presidency. I know of absolutely no one who has changed their minds on who to vote for based on a speech made by their spouse."
You don't know what's going on in other people's minds. You shouldn't pretend you do. The fact is that a lot of people didn't have a very good idea of what Barack Obama and Michelle Obama are like as people. They didn't know if they could relate to them. There's been a lot of crap circulating about them being unpatriotic and such. Whether or not Michelle's speech will "change people's minds," like a lightswitch being turned from off to on, is not certain. I don't think anybody here has made that claim anyway. But the speech seems likely to make people a little more open to the idea of relating to the Obamas, not finding them "scary" (as a pollster said in an article posted by Walter Shapiro here yesterday), and so on. I think you're asking the wrong question if you're reducing it to "will this change people's minds?"
Ravanne: "Speeches like this are pretty pointless to me and tend only to reenforce the views already held about a candidate."
You missed the point then. Not everybody already has clear views about the candidates. Some people are fence-sitters. And your comparison to Kerry's wife is a little off, since she had not previously been the subject of so much controversy and innuendo as Michelle Obama has.
Ravanne: "It's political theater - nothing more."
Nobody is denying that the party conventions are political theater. But you're wrong if you think political theater doesn't serve a purpose just prior to an election.
Ravanne: "Still, in the end it really means very little."
Sure, it means very little.....to you. No argument there.
Notorious: "The smart alek quips like "got a problem with exaggeration kiddo" and he doen't know what the hell he's talking about."
Wrong. You said he lost by 40 points in the primarie(s), plural. Turns out you might have been correct about a single primary. (I will take your word on that stat.) But it was just one election. In other words, you exaggerated. Nor did you address any of my other points, or answer any of my questions. The problem with you is that you're a Hit and Run poster. You pop up, send out some garbage, and then you duck for cover, afraid to take responsibility for your comments or anything else. Personally, I think you're the scum of the earth, and if I met you in person I would give you the hardest cockpunch of all time. I mean it. A cockpunch of epic proportions. You'd have those little birds around your head like in a cartoon, but they wouldn't be little birds, they'd be little penises with wings on them.
Those who already support Obama are going to listen to his wife's speech and have their positive feelings validated. Those who don't support him, or have questions about his qualifications for the office he is aspiring to probably aren't going to be swayed by his wife saying what a wonderful man he is.
Bravo – very cleverly written. You break the world into those who support Obama and those who supposedly use critical thinking skills to analyze whether he is qualified. It is so easy to phrase things that make it sound like is a simple choice between A and B, black and white, which is the world Republicans like to live in. You can’t handle grays and the fact that the world is much more complicated than your simple mind can handle.
Muslim bad – Christian good.
Government bad – Capitalism good.
Gay bad – Straight good.
People who don’t look, sound and think like me bad.
I hit a nerve.
WES: "I hit a nerve."
Suddenly you lost your sense of humor? Oh right -- the cockpunch. It's coming. Better buy a cup...
Is the fixation with penises?
Okay, that just upped the ante. Now you'll get TWO cockpunches. Just keep it up. You're toast.
I'll cockpunch you until little penises fly around your head........What, junior high sense of humor?
Words like "grace" tripping off your fingertips is certainly amusing. Your belligerence is your most outstanding feature. I've read a lot about the Kennedys and the "pater familias", Joseph, was a real operator. I thought Edward Kennedy was passing the Kennedy mantle to Obama? I must have misunderstood that too and all the panting about "another Camelot" some time ago as well as the outlandish comparisons being made by airheads between Michelle Obama and Jacqueline Kennedy. Michelle is unlikely to scoop a Greek shipping millionaire it's fairly safe to guess and the only similarity is their womanhood.
HutMAN, you're such a know-all about women in general, and me in particular, that you even know my thoughts and feelings about the exploitation of poor "foreign" women! Your inveighing against anyone who disputes your opinions can only lead to a prayer "Angels and ministers of grace defend us".
This habit you have of quoting from someone's letter (as if a person had forgotten what he or she had written some moments earlier) and then sneering at it shows the lack of substance in your attempted rebuttals and also a measure of petty-mindedness. Now HutMAN, you don't scare me away. I can't stand bullies.
I'll bet I'm not the first commenter to point that out!
Sonofloud wrote:
"The Obamas are good at speeches and carefully choreographed events
stop the presses!
Yes, the Obamas are great orators and are very presentable, but they also have SUBSTANCE behind their presentation. You can't even say one of these things about the current family or what the GOP has put forward as a choice!
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
