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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
The chattering folk were blithering yesterday--at least, they said often, Biden does "no harm." I like Joe Biden--his passion against the war (he voted for) moved me many times--the coffins coming into Delaware and so on. But he also was involved or touched by the Scruggs thing, has taken a lot of contributions from credit card companies and then was involved in that horrible banpruptcy bill, and I am not even counting the Neil Kinnock lifts and possible copying while he was in law school. No one is a virgin in this game. But even Joe Biden, who is by all accounts a decent person (though not so poor, I notice from his house), will not make me vote for the ticket with Obama at the top. I may have an out of body experience doing it, but I am probably voting Republican for the first time in 45 years. Or I may write in and stay in my body.
The Bush-Rove-McCain slush-factory will soon be working at full steam!
Obama-Biden should ensure that they will not respond weakly to attacks that will now come out from the Bush-Rove-McCain slush-machine. (That was, if I recall rightly, what took Kerry-Edwards down).
[At the same time, Obama-Biden surely do not have to manufacture anything at all!! - GW Bush and Gang are war criminals, and McCain supports and is supported by that Gang of War Criminals.
That's the message that needs to be taken properly and in full force to the people - alongside, of course, very important stuff like the disaster to economy that Bushonomics has brought to the US, the criminal negligence in regard to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina... and so on. There is plenty of ammunition available.
But what (I feel from outside) the US citizen wants to hear is exactly how Obama-Biden will really change things around for the better - for the USA and for the world. How they will, for example, enable the US to hold its head up proudly once again as a leading democracy in the world...
-- GSC
You are undoubtedly a Clinton supporter so please explain why it bothers you that Biden supported the bankruptcy bill but doesn't bother you that Clinton did (remember her "I voted for it but hoped it would fail" line from the primaries?); it's possibly a problem that Biden misspoke or took others words but doesn't bother you about Hillary's "misspeaks?" The Bosnian sniper; how she was named after Sir Edumund Hillary before he climbed Mount Everest?
Obama couldn't win no matter who he chose; and some Clinton supporters will never get over losing. But quit pretending any of the politicians are different - the Clintons are now millionaires hundred times over - and it's not from working overtime at Wal Mart - it's from serving on their Board; doing political favors, etc. People complain about Biden being a Washington insider - yet that's what Hillary ran on - 35 years of experience (which turned out to be more like 7). If Obama had chosen a non-Washington person he would have been accused of having a lightweight inexperienced ticket; another woman - it wasn't Hillary; Wesley Clark - dared to question McCain's qualifications. No matter what he does Obama naysayeers will find something wrong - that's politics.
But don't kid yourself that Hillary wouldn't have caused as much harm as she would have helped. The Republicans already have ads using her words against Obama -- and it would have been worse with her as VP. She may have 18 million supporters - but there are 270 or so other Americans who probably don't feel as kind towards her. She gave no more support to her promises than OBama -it's just that you and others liked her better. And that's fine - but quit pretending that that's not the reason you don't support Obama -- and that she's any different than other politicians.
While I have not forgiven Biden for the "Protect the rich and screw the poor bankruptcy act of America" I understand that his knowledge will smooth over many rough spots when change is attempted.
He will know how the GOP scum will react and in what fashion they will impede anything likely to improve the lot of the average American.
The GOP will insist that any costs of change must be fully borne by the middle class and the poor. The rich need to use their funds to hire more undocumented servants and inexpensive gardners for their new mansions. The rich can't be bothered with investing in America's infrastructure and its educational system. The rich must not be asked to risk their wealth in anything less than ironclad securities.
Perhaps some of the rich took chances on the way to becoming rich but once there they begin to look askance at taking chances.
It is the small businessman or woman who takes the chances and on occasion is bankrupt. The truly rich are only willing to come in if the risk has been minimized.
People like Joe Biden have seen the effect of a party whose sole interest is safeguarding the wealth of the already over privileged. I hope he can recall why his father quit his job when the boss during a christmas party threw out silver dollars just to see his employees scramble on their hands and knees for a pittance.
What America can well do without is arrogant wealth that despises and disrespects the workers whose labor produces the wealth.
This may not be quite the right forum for this question but as the responses are covering a range of issues I will ask.
Is being shot down as a pilot really something to be proud of (in pilot circles)? Is there some level of embarrassment in that? Didn't WWII vets feel being a POW was shameful?
Not saying I agree, but wondering as a friend was mentioning how public opinion on these things has changed.
Same friend wonders if Biden can say something to the effect of "we honor McCain's service as we honor that of the several thousand pilots that did not get shot down."
Too harsh and disrespectful, but question remains how do pilots feel about it? Is it just an unfortunate thing that happens or a commentary on ability?
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Salon headlines in your mailbox
