Hillary will outshine Obama regardless of what she says or how she acts.Obama is boring---and now he has resorted to aping all of Hillarys campaign speeches.He has always repeated others right along,how could anybody not see this?Our Democratic familly has had many arguements ovover the result of the primaries.Some are supporting Mccain,some Nader and my husband is writing in Hillarys name.Me---I am still looking but leaning to Mccain as my anger at the Democratic party rules that screwed this election up.Living in half-a$$ed Mi has not helped.

This is just sad. Are you people still really THIS mad from May when Hillary lost?

At this point it could honestly be diagnosed as a psychological problem. I feel sorry for you or anyone who can't manage to get over this in 4 months.

She lost. She's not the nominee. She will never be the nominee.

Hence you have two choices.

1. Vote for the candidate who represents 90% of her views, be a Democrat and help head the country in the right direction.

or

2. Behave like a spoiled brat. Be selfish. Attempt to drag everyone around you down. Then get even angrier and act like MORE of a selfish brat when you get called on it.

The rest of us are over it. But I do feel sorry for those of you who are still harboring these feelings. It's time to move on. Hate will consume you.

And the way you are behaving is sad and pathetic.

I'm a little worried about what you're going to do when Obama actually wins this election. If you're this upset over the primary, geesh.

At this point, if he chooses Clinton as the VP, the story will be that he had to in order to save his campaign, that the Clinton's will really control the Whitehouse, that Obama was so desperate with his falling poll numbers that he didn't bother to vet Clinton, he chose her out of desperation.

Who cares if it actually saved his campaign?

There are those who are paying close attention who will be concerned about this weakness meme. However, this wouldn't matter if it helped him in the long term. Many general election voters will scarcely be aware of all this.

1. Short term, it would give his candidacy a tremendous boost and I would bet that some 50% of Clinton supporters who are still holding out would move to his column immediately. I know that I probably would.

2. Longer term, I would assume that if he selects her, it would be because his team and pollsters have looked closely at the demographic that she draws.

That's one of the reason why the stories this week are about Clinton not meeting with the selection team, and not being vetted. Never mind that Obama's team has done so much research on her that they really don't need to met. It's setting up the story on the remote chance she is actually chosen.

Obama's team has let themselves fall into a trap. They won't control the tone of media coverage from their convention.

Trap implies someone with intentions. I don't believe this.

You say yourself that he had no choice. Actually, I don't agree with you. Never have I seen anyone as brutalized by the media as Hillary Clinton has been. Did you read Maureen Dowd's latest? The media would have played it up but they would've given him a pass if he hadn't had the Clinton's at the convention.

He made that choice.

All candidates have opponents. All candidates bear responsibility for their own decisions.

Lastly, I believe some of this notion that he looks weak by choosing her is because she is a female opponent. Joe Biden was an opponent. Edwards was an opponent. Richardson was an opponent.

One could perhaps make an argument that this notion that he looks weak stems from fears about powerful women.

Why is it more awful to have Hillary coming to the rescue than it is to have Joe Biden coming to the rescue?

Where did all the real feminists go - why are they not defending Michelle Obama against slurs worse than Mrs Clinton ever heard?

Why is it more awful to have Hillary coming to the rescue than it is to have Joe Biden coming to the rescue?

Because Biden doesn't have a small army of 'very enthusiastic' supporters wrecking havoc within the party, making demands. You don't hear Biden supporters threatening (or promising) to take over and purge the party or start a new one (not that that isn't a bad idea, but we can question the timing). You don't hear them saying they wuz robbed like quite a few posters said last night here.

Some people will conclude that selecting Hillary amounts to capitulation. I don't see how that favors Obama.

...are a bunch of idiots who resemble nothing so much as the characters in Luchino Visconti's "The Damned." There is nothing quite so deparate as a bunch of facists/neonazis (aren't those synonymous with "neocon"?) trying to figure out how to throw a good light on a trainwreck everyone can see coming (the trainwreck being the McCain campaign and the Republican national convention in no particular order).

This is embarrassing enough and has been, for me, over the past 25 years or so, without nominal Democrats like Walter Shapiro following loose Republicans around and asking them what they think would be the worst that could happen come this weekend. For the love of god, Walter! Quotes like Rich Galen's pathetic "What I hope happens is that there is a huge groundswell of support for Sen. Clinton," one can only wonder where your Democratic mind was last seen, and when. This article smells funny, frankly.

Who gives a rat's ass what these people think? They first destroyed the party I've remained afilliated with my entire adult life (for reasons I've explained here countless times before, so let's save that this time), then went on to damn near destroy the nation. There'll be a handful of us honorable GOP-ers left after the debacle to (hopefully) eventually rebuild the wreck that's been left. Meanwhile, thank god there's a sound party left to run the country.

The Clintons will do what is best for their party, and more power to them. Bill did a damn fine job for eight years with one arm tied behind him by Ken Starr and the rest of the Legion of Doom, Hillary ran a good-but-not-quite-good-enough campaign that in any other year would have given us our first female President (and don't forget those 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling, 'cuz that's no lie), and now that it's all over but the shouting, between them and the Big O's impossibly grand oratorial skills the Dems will walk away united as they haven't been since 1964. I look forward to at least one of the major parties being able to lay claim to something as satisfying and as good for the country.

Walter, I'm not sure what you were trying to say here, but you needn't have bothered.