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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
And the best I can see the other side manages to construe up is, "If Obama doesn't win this election."
Yawn.
I can count on one hand the number of people saying John McCain is going to win. And among Republicans it's even smaller. Half of them aren't even going to show up to vote for him.
If people want to have a collective anuersym over the fact the polls (which are inevitably ALWAYS wrong, ask John Kerry or Hillary Clinton) have tightened (gasp!) then go for it.
But the polls have been wrong throughout this thing.
And the people out here predicting the end for Obama were the same ones who supported the Iraq War, were sure Hillary Clinton would walk away with this thing, ignored the rest of us when we told them Mark Penn was taking this thing down the tubes, used every poll to show us how Hillary was ahead, and predicted Obama wouldn't survive Iowa.
These are the people who have been wrong about everything over the past 15 months.
I'm going to listen to them now, because? Why again?
Now please again, show me some poll about how Obama is slipping in FREAKIN AUGUST, describe his weak points (ignoring the fact you all claimed these were going to be his undoing against HRC and how even a miracle couldn't help him win this nomination) and about how that will be his undoing, and then yell some more about how angry you are.
Sigh.
He's going to win this thing. He was going to win in it in February, he was going to win it in May and he's going to win in it November. Sorry that I'm not freaking out over polls.
Democracy issues: MI and FL was a huge issue for us. Four other states also moved up their primaries: NV, IA, SC and NH. None of these states were penalized as Obama was expected to win them all. MI and FL where Clinton polled to win were set to be penalized.
The above statement is inaccurate. All the primaries listed above had been moved by August 2007. (SEE: New York Times Election 2008 Guide, August 22, 2007.) Clinton was well ahead of Obama for most of 2007 both nationally and state-by-state.
SUMMER 2007 POLLS RESULTS FOR IOWA, NEVADA, NEW HAMPSHIRE AND SOUTH CAROLINA
August 18, Zogby poll (Iowa): Clinton 30% ; Obama 19%
August 16, Research 2000 poll (Nevada): Clinton 39%; Obama 19%
September 26, Zogby poll (New Hampshire): Clinton 38%; Obama 23%
September 27, Rasmussen (South Carolina): Clinton 43%; Obama 30%
Source: electoral-vote.com
It is not true that the above states were not penalized because Obama was projected to win them. At the time Florida was penalized (August 2007), Clinton was well ahead in IA, NV, NH and SC. At the time Michigan was penalized (December 2007), Clinton was still well ahead in these states. (See: Pew Poll results, below.)
The DNC imposed sanctions on Florida in August 2007. (Source: Washington Post, August 26, 2007.) The DNC imposed sanctions on Michigan in December. (Source: Washington Post, December 2, 2007.) In December 2007 Reuters/Zogby poll showed that, nationally, Clinton led Obama 40% to 32%. On December 2, 2007 the Pew Research Center released the following poll results:
Iowa: Clinton 31%; Obama 26%
New Hampshire: Clinton 38%; Obama 19%
South Carolina: Clinton 45%; Obama 31%
(There was no data on Nevada.)
so I'm going to endlessly blather on about "The Other" here. And "exoticism." And did I mention healing, or the ignorance of the American voter, or "Americans too doltish to comprehend multiculturalism" as Frank Rich so horse-ishly put it?
And that is actually why people cannot stand to vote for Obama -- the puerile, relentless accusations that we're a bunch of morons "too doltish" to submit to the vain racism that is real "multicultural" education. That we are "too doltish" to celebrate and appreciate the miraculous existence of Obama, that we "just don't know him yet" and may never really know him because we're small-minded and unwilling to see his complicated and "exotic" fabulousness.
Look, I know this is just a bunch of campaign insiders stroking the mythology on Salon, but could any of you be honest enough to acknowledge that Democrats who aren't voting for Obama aren't voting for him because of what they DO know about him, not what they haven't yet "experienced" or "felt" or "transcended in their black little hearts"? Could you actually respond to the real criticism of the candidate and the Party instead of setting up increasingly absurd straw men and tipping them over?
Could you pretend this is a real political discussion?
Funny-I've got a buddy with two of the three same initials. Fellow from Chicago-shares your apocalyptic vision.
I'm going to take issue with one point, and very strong issue. It's not RUSSIA that's going to fuck us, but HAWKS. I basically agree the shit is spinning out of control across the board--and I saw that HPV shit coming a mile away and can't believe the MSM reacted like this was completely out of the blue--but the most troublesome thing is that everybody wants to ESCALATE. It reminds me of the run-up to the first world war. (Yup, back in the day when I was stoop-chillin with a cold '40 and listening to Coolidge on the radio.)
I've written a sanctimonious and needlessly verbose blog about it here...
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=10964
Anyway, happy trails...
only exist at Salon.
People, get over it. YOU LOST.
Jesus.
Do you care about anything?
I'd much rather listen to Hillary than an angry, "Hate America" Michelle Obama. In spite of her previous well-publicized radical associations; and, her multiple attempts to trash our Nation, the Democrats have chosen to have Michelle Obama to be a featured speaker at their Denver Convention. It is a foregone conclusion that the Obama handlers will have Michelle with a smile-cast and chain-locked to the teleprompter with their carefully scripted commentary so as to obscure the prospective 1st lady's deeply angry disposition towards America. What a tragic example for our children; what a disastrous blow to societal cohesion at home; what a disconcerting message to our friends and allies; and, what a comforting message to our fanatical opponents abroad; to see a woman who has expressed her beliefs that: "our souls are broken in this nation"; "blacks must join in solidarity to combat a white oppressor"; "we're a country that is just downright mean."; "We're a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacents."; "America is guided by fear, and getting worse all the time."; and, laments that she will face, "further integration and/or assimilation into a white culture and social structure"; to have a potential opportunity to secure the White House itself as the platform for her hate-filled dictum. And, of note to practicing Christians in our soceity, is Michelle's pledge that: "Barack will be tireless in keeping legal the practice of partial birth abortions". All of this from a woman who has benefited enormously from affirmative actions! Along with her husband's long-term subversive associations, his immersion in seditious anti-American diatribe; and, his recent proclamation: "I don't want that (referring to America in its current form) for my little girls.", has indeed revealed the Obamas as the real-life Manchurian Couple. Greg Neubeck
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