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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
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Kasimira: "["The basic question the e-mail poses, "Can a good Muslim be a good American?" is blatantly racist . . ."] Islam is not a race, it is an ideology."
Look, everybody knows that people regularly say "racist" when they mean "bigoted." Being literal-minded doesn't help much. But you're wrong that Islam is an ideology, unless Judaism and Christianity are also ideologies, in which case why not just say "religion"?
And the other poster is correct to point out that the Old Testament and other religious texts also contain as much junk that, if taken seriously, is just as violent and abhorrent as what you cite in the Koran.
But I'm glad you admit the emails mentioned in this article are garbage. A point in your favor.
Like a true fanatic you can not see any flaws in your chosen leader. Your devotion would do well in Jonesville. You still fail to answer the question of why he spent 20 years listening to that hate. Ignoring it wont make it go away. Why do you think he is stuck in the polls? Because people see he is not honest, unless he overcomes that tendency to hide, all the vice presidents in Chritendom wont make any difference, including Hillary. Your devotion to him is meeting your own need to believe and to have someone to follow. Take the blinders off for just a minute and look at him objectively.
Well, welcome to the fight, Salon.
I kept waiting for the part about how this spells doom for Barack Obama because he can't win and it's his fault for being too vulnerable in these terms and shouldn't have been chosen as a nominee or we should be concerned that he was the nominee or.... and then I realized that it wasn't there, that this was actually just debubunking the anti-Obama smears.
Good stuff. A lot of the Obama haters here are going to be annoyed at you now if you keep this up but they really are a tiny fraction of the actual Democratic population. They just seemed larger because so many of them post here.
In any case, thank you. The entire smear machine is geared up and already well into the battle, it's nice to see another voice being used to start fighting it.
Patrick Vashon: "Like a true fanatic you can not see any flaws in your chosen leader."
This statement is immediately irrelevant, since the topic of the article is not Obama's flaws or lack of flaws, it's the truth or untruth of emails that claim Obama is a Muslim, or that Michelle Obama is some sort of black-liberation extremist. Both emails are demonstrably false.
Also false is your assertion that I do not see flaws in Obama. I see some flaws, just not the exaggerated or outright false ones that people are attempting to circulate so that McCain will win the election.
Patrick Vashon: "Your devotion would do well in Jonesville."
JONESVILLE? Wait, don't you mean Jonestown? What, you can't even get your hackneyed insults right? Idiot.
Patrick Vashon: "You still fail to answer the question of why he spent 20 years listening to that hate."
Please provide evidence that every sermon for 20 years was hateful. You don't have any. In fact, I don't think you know much about the church other than the few clips you've heard. I've listened to full, 45-minutes sermons by Jeremiah Wright, and they actually are full of positive messages. Why don't you listen to one instead of parroting what far-right political extremists tell you to believe?
Patrick Vashon: "Take the blinders off for just a minute and look at him objectively."
For you to tell anybody to take blinders off, or to be objective, is the height of irony.
...why isn't our side circulating similar anti-McCain emails?
When oh when will Democrats stop taking the "high road" that has led us straight into the ditch come election time, again and again?
Fight fire with fire, for God's sake!
They're not interested in hearing the truth. They really do believe that "opinion equals truth." Debunking rumors and lies is fruitless and only serves to spread them further.
I mentioned to a Republican friend recently that it was interesting how gas had dropped 35 cents a gallon even though no new off shore drilling was taking place as Republicans insist must happen to bring down prices. His reply? It's because we are talking about drilling that prices have dropped.
Want to see what we're up against? Go to AOL news, click on a story and scroll down to the comment section at the end of the article. I'm not claiming it's a scientific sample, but I do believe it represents the average American voter: opinionated, yet uninformed; gleefully proud of their ignorance, having essentially a fourth or fifth grade education; arrogant; and profoundly dedicated to empowering a political ideology that impoverishes them and their children but satisfies their petty hatreds and fears.
Hutman asks:
"In conclusion, who are these people?"
Paid RNC boilerroom trolls and/or Abramoff-style College Republicans.
"Can people really be this dumb? Or are they paid to write this crap?"
Yes and yes.
As a glance through a week's worth of recent letters shows, he is a concern troll of the first water. (He also sounds a lot like the Vashon troll -- or else they're reading from the same script. Check their IP addresses.)
Despite trying to debunk anti-Obama e-mails, the one thing that stands in my mind is how, for 20 years, Michelle and her children and her husband attended services at the United Trinity Church whose pastor spewed such hatred of America and Israel. How can they not be influenced by such rethoric???If I went to a Temple and listen to such speeches I would have leaved right the way and protest. To me this is the real test of judgment of the Obamas.
Hows that martyr complex working out for you?
That ultimately cost the Clinton's the primaries. Face it, the origin of the worst of this isn't going to be identified with the Republicans, but rather the Clintonistas. In short the backlash is not falling on the Republicans, who have figured out how to come out clean, but on Hillary Clinton and the wankers who supported her in this manner.
While if Hillary had not given McCain a huge advantage by setting up the Republican slime machine for him, this would ordinarily have limited effectiveness - the effect of people going out and finding the facts were a load of bullshit would have balanced out the effect of people believing the bullshit - thanks to Hillary, the backlash is going to go against her and not McCain. The email campaign is made of win for the Republicans.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
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